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Surgoshan:
That's just it; you can get as existential as you want, but the only evidence we will ever have will be scientific.

SJCrew:

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--- Quote from: Dotes on 14 Dec 2008, 21:23 ---As an atheist myself it kinda bothers me, especially since the whole "fundamentalist atheist" thing is a big farce. Atheism is about skepticism, not absolutism.


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I'm an atheist myself.

I've met a lot of atheists who think everybody who isn't an atheist is stupid and ignorant.  That's really no different from a Christian thinking anybody who isn't Christian is evil.  It's elitism, pure and simple.  For you atheism may be just about skepticism, but if it is, you should also be skeptical of your skepticism.  Because the fact is, "The universe was created spontaneously" is just as big a leap of faith as "The universe was created by a divine being".  I think there is no God, but I don't pretend that I know everything, and since I don't know everything, how can I really call people who think there's a bearded guy in the clouds controlling our fates idiots?

What pisses me off is that all the atheist posterboys are smug little dipshits like Richard Dawkins. 

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Given that I am (probably) one of the few conservative Christians, if not the only one, likely to ever be on this message board...

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Yo.

Quite frankly, I find it easier to practice my religion when I abstain from full-length discussion with a dissenting viewpoint. Unstoppable force to an immovable object doesn't usually result in a win on either side.

KeepACoolin:

--- Quote from: Surgoshan on 25 Jul 2009, 07:56 ---That's just it; you can get as existential as you want, but the only evidence we will ever have will be scientific.

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Even if all other phenomena could be explained perfectly via scientific methods, the final brute fact will remain that this universe exists.  It is equally a leap of faith to believe in self-existent or spontaneously generated matter as to believe in a self-existent God.  Ultimately, the only truly valuable evidence is either historical or personal. 

I should mention that I find the question of evolution wholly irrelevant to the existence of God- I don't believe that God would have some qualms about causing life to evolve, and I still believe that abiogenesis is impossible in a purely atheistic universe.

Surgoshan:
The lack of explanation for a phenomenon is in no way proof of the existence of god.  It just means that the explanation hasn't yet been found.

JD:

--- Quote from: SJCrew on 25 Jul 2009, 09:01 ---Quite frankly, I find it easier to practice my religion when I abstain from full-length discussion with a dissenting viewpoint. Unstoppable force to an immovable object doesn't usually result in a win on either side.

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This guy is winning this thread.

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