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Iron Man 2
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 May 2010, 10:01 ---The worst part is that I can't think of anything that was particularly "wrong" with the movie; I mean, it made me laugh, it had some good action and some hot chicks. But still....it just...I dunno....it wasn't very good.
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So I thought this as well and I think I may have worked it out. It's the flippin' action scenes/fights, dudes. The first Iron Man flick had exactly the same problem, it's just that it was generally limited to the end part of the film with the fight against Stane. They basically took the least awesome part of Iron Man 1 and multiplied it to several instances across the length of Iron Man 2.
Basically putting big dumb EXPLOSIONS FUCK YEAH sections in a film as otherwise as smart and self-aware as this is extremely off-putting and negates all the qualities that made the first one such a massive unbelievable hit among people who don't otherwise dig on big summer sfx extravaganzas.
EDIT: And um just so we are clear here, there is nothing wrong with big flashy action scenes in, y'know, an action film, but surely there is a way to do them so it doesn't completely throw off the tone of the rest of the film?
KvP:
I was pretty up-front about my misgivings with the first Iron Man, but I think this was an improvement. It wasn't a huge improvement, but it was a good one.
Favreau's strength continues to be in his way with actors and the snappy dialogue between all the different characters. As with the first film the best scenes are the ones in which RDJ gets to trade quips with other game actors. His skill in filming fight sequences has improved some but he still has real trouble with climactic battles - that last fight with Whiplash must have lasted 2 minutes, if that.
That having been said, the movie was nicely paced and stopped just short of being completely overstuffed ala Spiderman 3. Was Justin Hammer such a boob in the comics as well? I feel like the villains in this one were much more well-developed than the first film's, even while it feels like Mickey Rourke didn't actually do or say much. I feel a bit disappointed that the sort of hints about the dark nature of Stark industries and the military industrial complex in the first film were jettisoned in the second, though that's probably a thing with the original comics more than anything else. Turns out Howard Stark was a hero and all the bad stuff Stark industries was involved in were solely the work of Jeff Bridges, apparently. The only real problem with this was that it made Whiplash a less interesting character - he didn't really have a legit beef with the Starks, he's just evil and holds a grudge. Overall it was a bit of a letdown that Stark so obviously outmatched all of his adversaries from the get-go.
So yeah, better than the first film, enjoyable certainly, but somehow I think it will be a bit less memorable than the first for some reason. Interested to see how they'll work with the Avengers' less popular members. After Cap, who's left? Thor and Antman? Anybody else? Then we'll have the proper Avengers film to look forward to. Propers to Marvel for making it a Joss Whedon joint. It's good that they're orienting themselves more toward the Iron Man sensibility instead of going Michael Bay with every movie.
Emaline:
I don't know, I guess I sorta expect the explosions and I think they should be there. I mean, Tony Stark is a weapons manufacturer. He makes explosions. He has a big huge gigantic ego. He likes for things to explode. He makes that happen.
I mean, fight scenes in a superhero movie doesn't not make sense. It just how it is. Superheros fight often. And when they are wearing super powered suits armed with various exploding things, stuff is gonna get blown up and smashed.
And then somethings were there to drawn a point. Like the scene where Tony is drunk, in the suit, on his birthday, and a bunch of party-goers and tossing things in the air for him to shoot. I really honestly feel like this was the first time they really drove home the point that he is an alcoholic, and can be/is an obvious danger to people, since suit and alcohol don't mix well. I was actually telling my boyfriend how I didn't feel like the first film touched on his alcoholism enough, but I feel like this film definitely has, and I'm glad.
And yeah, people misbehaving in theaters is so aggravating! The girl next to me, texted the whole time. And left the volume on her phone on. Not even kidding. And she kept updating her boyfriend next to her where her friends were. Then she kept asking about what was going on on the screen. I bet if you wouldn't have texted while the movie was on, you'd know.
Emaline:
--- Quote from: KvP on 09 May 2010, 20:24 ---I was pretty up-front about my misgivings with the first Iron Man, but I think this was an improvement. It wasn't a huge improvement, but it was a good one.
Favreau's strength continues to be in his way with actors and the snappy dialogue between all the different characters. As with the first film the best scenes are the ones in which RDJ gets to trade quips with other game actors. His skill in filming fight sequences has improved some but he still has real trouble with climactic battles - that last fight with Whiplash must have lasted 2 minutes, if that.
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I just wanna say that is was the only scene I really had a problem with. 2 minutes? This is the final battle! I want it to be complex! I want it to be crazy! I want villains to shout out their evil plans, and why they are killing whoever the are killing, only for the hero to figure out a way to escape and get them. I want that frigging cliche. Because I love it. Its so comic book fantastic.
--- Quote ---So yeah, better than the first film, enjoyable certainly, but somehow I think it will be a bit less memorable than the first for some reason. Interested to see how they'll work with the Avengers' less popular members. After Cap, who's left? Thor and Antman? Anybody else? Then we'll have the proper Avengers film to look forward to. Propers to Marvel for making it a Joss Whedon joint. It's good that they're orienting themselves more toward the Iron Man sensibility instead of going Michael Bay with every movie.
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Wasp, and The Hulk. I mean, obviously, they made a Hulk movie, but he is part of the Avengers. I imagine they will do Wasp and Antman together.
Blue Kitty:
I feel weird about the Avengers movie. They characters are great in their own movies, but can we bring them together in a way that isn't terrible?
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