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Beren:
On another forum I go to we've decided to call the other guy/deadlocke Esau. Oh lost and your silly biblical imagery.

look out! Ninjas!:
Lostapedia has it's "theories" page pretty much naming AliveLocke whatever religious entity they can draw even the most tenuous link to. Esau is probably the least crazy name there.

Also, what was up with "Ricardus"? I assume it's his real name because he's really old or something.

Chesire Cat:

--- Quote from: Beren on 14 May 2009, 23:42 ---On another forum I go to we've decided to call the other guy/deadlocke Esau. Oh lost and your silly biblical imagery.

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Yeah I kinda thought Jacob/Esau or some sort of bizarre Cain/Able relationship between the two. But bottom line is you cant fucking just introduce two extremely important characters at the beginning of the finale with no fucking explanation other than one of the has a name that happened to have a lot of screen time. That smashcut to white, well whatever it was a nuke (though since when did plutonium cores blow up without a fat lot of traditional explosive), so I am not going to gripe about that. But this Locke BS was complete crap, and whats with "The Good Guys" who the fuck are they? Oh apparently they (one of them) are introduce in this three minute flashback with one of the other characters that is actually just a name that appears throughout the series and NOT ACTUALLY A CHARACTER.

Pardon my rant, but you want a finale done right, watch Weeds, and I *love* Lost, it sits comfortably behind South Park and The Venture Bros as the best show that currently airs, but I can honestly say that was a poor finale from a story telling position.

0bsessions:
Actually, Ilana's been showing up most of the season. She popped up bringing Sayid in, remember? She'll obviously be fleshed out next season, I don't see it as any reason to get one's underwear in a twist. All told, I'd say it was the best finale, overall, since season one.

TheFuriousWombat:
"Ricardus" is his Latin name. Since the Others speak (or did speak...) in Latin, I'm assuming the Ajiira folk are old others of some kind. In any case, they have an obvious connection to Jacob. I don't think AliveLocke is the smoke monster. I'm pretty sure that's a third entity altogether. When Ben told Locke he had to do whatever Locke said b/c the smoke monster told him to in Alex's form, Locke seemed genuinely surprised and pleased. When it was asked why the Ajira folk were lugging DeadLocke's body, they said it was to show what Richard and the Others were up against. Since they know about the smoke monster and can apparently summon it, I think AliveLocke is something more evil....or maybe more good? We still don't know who's good and who's bad. Is Jacob the good guy and DudeFromTheEpisode'sBeginning/AliveLocke (they're obviously the same person) bad or vice versa. We still don't even know that answer for Ben and Widmore to be honest.
I do think the religious possibilities (Jacob and Esau) are interesting and compelling. In the Old Testament, Esau and Jacob are twins. Esau sells his birthright to Jacob for some red stew or something b/c he's really hungry. This pisses off God who basically exiles Esau for so lightly giving away that which is most important. Maybe something similar happened here. The guy in the black robe from the beginning ran the island and for some reason passed on that power to Jacob or Jacob took over. The guy realized his mistake and wanted to kill Jacob to reclaim the island but b/c of some strange set of rules could not.
Now, the rules are obviously significant. Remember, Widmore supposedly broke the rules when Keamy killed Ben's daughter. It seems that Ben and Widmore can't kill each other, again b/c of some kind of set of rules. It would be WAY too coincidental if these rules weren't linked to the rules that prevented Black Robe guy from killing Jacob.
Also, the conversation between the Black Robe guy and Jacob is still confusing me. I can't make any sense of it....

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