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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #50 on: 25 Jan 2009, 02:40 »

They don't. I'm always pissed off, so one more inconveniece doesn't make much of a difference.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #51 on: 25 Jan 2009, 02:46 »

but you're not dora,
dora has never been this snappy to marten.
Even though she is a little insecure, she seems one of the most emotional and mentally stable persons in the comic.

So she is acting out of character, indicating something has changed, and I dont see her drinking like crazy, popping anti depressants, or sniffing cocaïne.
a sudden change of personality (even for a short while) needs a reason. (Maybe she was molested the day before and we never saw, and now her resentment towards men is growing)
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #52 on: 25 Jan 2009, 07:25 »

Dora's been this snappy to Marten plenty of times. See: The Sven Incident, the Haircutting incident.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #53 on: 25 Jan 2009, 15:51 »

I think that we have to be careful whenever we attempt to apply deeper meaning to the funny situations that occur in QC.  It is true that Jeph often foreshadows plot developments weeks or even months in advance (in real time).  However, many times, his slice-of-life jokes have no deeper meaning.  Seeing Dora about to lower the boom on Marten is funny in and of itself.  It does not have to have a deeper meaning on either of their parts, or be a reflection on the current state of the relationship or portend that their good times together are nearing their end.

I think that subconciously, many of us feel that Marten and Faye are "meant" to be a couple.  But Faye is no where near ready to be in a "serious" relationship.  An arm's length "frenemy with benefits" relationship with Sven is the best that she is capable of handling for the foreseeable future.

I do believe that there have been several significant clues from the very beginning that Hanners has a unrequited crush on Marten.  But because of her OCD, I do not believe that she is capable of acting on her attraction to her (and Dora and Faye know this).  In the meantime, she is more than content to be just friends with Marten, Faye & Dora.  I believe that thier friendship is more important to her than she lets them know.  More importantly, she will not do anything that will jeopardize these friendships.  So, I do not see Hanners as waiting in the wings to snatch up Marten, even if his relationship with Dora should end.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #54 on: 25 Jan 2009, 16:25 »

His proper response was, "There's nothing unusual about that."
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #55 on: 25 Jan 2009, 16:39 »

I don't think Jeph knows a damn thing about why his characters do things. He just writes the script as to how they'll react accordingly to different situations he puts them in.

"HAY GUISE LETS GO JOIN TEH CIRCUS"
"Circuses are dirty!"
"I hope there's bunnies!"

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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #56 on: 25 Jan 2009, 20:00 »

Wow. I don't even remember "the hair incident". You guys are impressive.

I don't remember the Dora-gets-mad-about-Marten's-hair incident either.  Could anyone point to where that is in the archives?  I'm curious now and I'd like to revisit it.

It would be much appreciated!
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« Reply #57 on: 25 Jan 2009, 20:36 »

Personally I kind of hope this causes a split because it's been a while since things have been shaken up.  Who's the newest character, Sven's intern?  Not exactly rocking the boat with that addition.  What would Questionable Content be like in case of a Dora/Marten split?  Would CoD be a safe haven?  Would Faye make her move?  How would  Sven react to getting dumped?  Does Raven make a move on Sven?  How does Marten deal with a break-up?  We've seen him when he's single and used to it, we've seen him on top of the world, but we've only seen him lose everything for a brief 48 hours between the talk with Faye and kiss with Dora.

And bring back Steve, I am honest to God concerned for the webcomic character.  Weeks ago, he was a wreck, playing with empty liquor bottles.  What's Meena's deal, did she screw it up with him too?

And thus concludes my epic first post.
If this gets that big, I'm going to be desperately coming back to QC every 5 minutes even though I know it won't be updating til the next day. Damn.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #58 on: 25 Jan 2009, 23:33 »

Seeing Dora about to lower the boom on Marten is funny in and of itself.

No, it's not.
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« Reply #59 on: 26 Jan 2009, 00:39 »

Yes, it is.

Argument strip was blah. Not really all that funny nor dramatic.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #60 on: 26 Jan 2009, 02:05 »

They don't. I'm always pissed off, so one more inconveniece doesn't make much of a difference.

Really? What a horrible way to live.
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« Reply #61 on: 26 Jan 2009, 02:32 »

They don't. I'm always pissed off, so one more inconveniece doesn't make much of a difference.

Really? What a horrible way to live.

My mother seems to manage it. I'm not kidding. She believes that the Beatles were all burnt out hippies that didn't know what they were doing and also thinks that god is talking to her and is telling her that I'm evil. She'll randomly start bashing on anything and everything from Stevie Ray Vaughan to homosexuality, but she still seems happy despite hating everyone and everything...
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« Reply #62 on: 26 Jan 2009, 02:38 »

Damn, I knew I should have just said "well RovingSoul, you must just be on the rag a lot then." That would have probably had a better reaction.
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« Reply #63 on: 26 Jan 2009, 02:56 »

Actually, you should see my mother. I avoid her, but when I am around her it's really strange. Last time I saw her she just randomly started ranting in mid-sentence about "GAY PEOPLE ARE OBSESSED WITH SHIT!" and I was completely taken off guard.

Wait, shit, isn't there a topic we're supposed to be on?
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« Reply #64 on: 26 Jan 2009, 15:44 »

Well, in an attempt to actually stay on topic... :roll:

In my opinion, Marten hasn't done anything even remotely wrong. Yes, some random chick hit on him. So what? Doras accusations, that he would've tried to hide it, are completley unfounded. He was completley honest about it when she asked him straight out "Did someone hit on you", after all. And I'm sure he's asked her how her day was without her going on about every guy that's been hitting on her. Basically, all she's done is tell him that their entire relationship is a lie, since she can't find it in herself to trust him and apparenly never has. The only way for him to show her how wrong she is, is not only to take a camera with him wherever he is and upload it so she can wiew it wheenever he wants to, but to make her do the same. The bulkier the camera, the better, to really make it an inconvenience. Why not add sound, too, in order to make sure they can yell at the people hitting on their partner? The more of a buden it is (especially for Dora), the better. Well, I suppose the easier way to do this would be if Marten just kept on nagging on her about every thing that dosen't get his approval first. If she can't take it and still dosen't shut up about her sily ways, he should seriously break up with her. The only thing I'm afraid of is her breaking up with him first. For some reason, it's always the the assholes that get to break up.
No, I don't dislike Dora in any particular way. She's just beeing really stupid right now, for no apparent reason. I really hope for her sake she's got PMS or something along those lines, since it would offer an explanation (but not really an exceuse) for acting this selfish. And since there was a discussion about this earlier, yes, women do act irregularly during PMS. My current girlfriend, whith whom I've had the luck of beeing with for a year, tends to blow up about any little detail. ("Do you need any help with that?" "I CAN DO THIS ON MY OWN!" "Ok...."
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #65 on: 26 Jan 2009, 16:58 »

Run, Marten, run! Run away from the crazy lady! (Yes, I know I said run toward her. Sometimes I'm wrong?)

I was looking through the reactions of both Dora and Marten in all the panels:

1) Dora's furious. Marten's some sort of mix of terrified and befuddled.
2) Dora's accusative, and Marten's getting annoyed.
3) Dora's still cranky. Marten can't believe he has to deal with this crap again.
4) Dora's sulking. Marten... I'm not sure what this is, but it looks like he's trying to take her BS seriously.
5) Dora is almost over it, but perplexed... Marten doesn't want to have this conversation (cf his reaction in panel 3!)
6) Dora's pissy again. Marten is apologetic, even though he really didn't do anything wrong.

I almost think Marten is going to need to break up with her over her constantly freaking out about this stuff. The guy needs to stand up for himself a little more. He's the most loyal guy there is, but if this keeps up, I'm not so sure that's going to stay true forever...

I'm of the opinion that if something significant happened to him that day, it would have been that he hooked up with the library chick in the stacks. Now that would qualify as "significant!" ;)  But getting asked out in a completely unmemorable way, turning someone down, having it be completely clear that nothing even remotely happened... man, I'm the biggest change-hating OCD control freak I know, and even I'm not going to let something like that bother me.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #66 on: 26 Jan 2009, 17:17 »

Marten wasn't getting all apologetic because he thought he did something wrong, he was just recognizing that he made a bad guess when he tried to avoid freaking Dora out, and explaining his actions. (A "Can you really blame me?!" would have made that more apparent) Plus he may consider it an easy way of ending the conversation... where he may be right but easy doesn't mean healthiest.

I don't think they're going to break up over this though. ... well, they're either going to do that or they're both going to learn to cope with it. Dora's going to mellow out as time goes on, and Marten will learn to fortify his backbone when necessary or generally how better to deal with her when she gets like that.
Learning how to deal with each other's flaws is a pretty important step in any relationship.
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« Reply #67 on: 26 Jan 2009, 21:38 »

Yeah... fuck Dora.

He didn't mention it because it wasn't important to him.  She's getting upset because he should have recognized that it would be important to her...  Why is he not allowed to get upset that she isn't realizing that it wasn't important to him?

Yeah.  Double standard.  Fuck Dora.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #68 on: 26 Jan 2009, 21:51 »

FUTURE EVENTS SPOILER WARNINGS OMG

Dora and Marten (or "Martin" as people have gotten to know him as) split up, in a brilliant story twist by Jeph
Load of QC are all like "Omg they split! The world will never be the same again!" and everyone sends Jeph angry emails
Jeph can't handle it, and shoots himself
QC is taken over by Jim Davis and gradually becomes less and less funny
Then QC readers shoot themselves and no one wants to clean up the mess so they shoot themselves
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #69 on: 26 Jan 2009, 22:00 »

QC is taken over by Jim Davis and gradually becomes less and less funny
"Gradually"?
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« Reply #70 on: 26 Jan 2009, 22:02 »

Garfield, at some point, was actually good
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« Reply #71 on: 26 Jan 2009, 22:11 »

yeah, but at this point, do you think Davis is capable of a gradual slide to suck?  The man is steeped in failure.  His soul is a cup of failtea.
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« Reply #72 on: 26 Jan 2009, 22:17 »

Poor man. So talented, once
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #73 on: 26 Jan 2009, 22:52 »

Yeah... fuck Dora.
Yeah.  Double standard.  Fuck Dora.
I would.

*ahem*  yeah.  Setting up Martin to fail isn't fair.  QC isn't funny when it's telling my life story.  lol

Stupid insecure women.  Bah.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #74 on: 27 Jan 2009, 07:06 »

And since there was a discussion about this earlier, yes, women do act irregularly during PMS. My current girlfriend, whith whom I've had the luck of beeing with for a year, tends to blow up about any little detail. ("Do you need any help with that?" "I CAN DO THIS ON MY OWN!"

Not to start up a new argument, but I'm just gonna throw this out there. When PMSing and menstruating, the female hormone is, in fact, at its lowest. So isn't it fair to say that men act like that all month long? Just saying.


As for Dora... she really is blowing up about this, and I'm thinking that she might be having some sort of underlying issue with Marten and is using this as an outlet. Maybe the Hannelore thing really did bother her and she tried to play it off. It's the only reason I can see for having the two twists so close together. I'm not defending Dora; she's definitely being a bitch. But she might not just be being a bitch to be a bitch. She might genuinely be nervous about her relationship's stability and, though that's no excuse for her current behavior, this whole incident might have lit the fuse and set the whole thing off.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #75 on: 27 Jan 2009, 08:17 »

One problem that stands out to me - in yesterday's... "I don't expect you to tell me every time one of your customers flirts with you" "Yeah, but if you ASKED" - when did Dora ASK [at least, at any point before she started in with the accusatory tone] if such a thing had happened? Her words were "Anything interesting happen?"

the most annoying thing is Marten is now accepting as a fait accompli the idea that he was dishonest when he never was. This says either: He is an idiot and actually believes it, or he is being dishonest NOW in just saying whatever he thinks she wants to hear
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #76 on: 27 Jan 2009, 09:00 »

he has the spine of a jellyfish.

She wants a "yes" man.
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« Reply #77 on: 27 Jan 2009, 09:16 »

This really does look a a LOT like the relationship with me and my guy. Anyone who thinks a relationship should be 100% fluffy and peaceful has never survived a relationship for more than a few months then. It doesn't happen. People fight, in and out of relationship. And if anything, love intensifies that fact.

Me and my guy get along wonderfully, usually. As does Dora and Martin. We share the same tastes to an extent, though we have our differences. But I can be extremely combative, and sometimes my guy just doesn't want any shit. When the wrong stars align, our fights are epic. But once we get some cooldown time and our hate-mon levels go down, we realize that its not an issue worth staying mad at each other over. Very often this is how most relationships work. And its perfectly survivable as long as people make the effort to meet halfway, and solve the issue.

I have confidense in Martin and Dora. Dora is hot headed and insecure, but she's also capable of being fairly rational and understanding. And lucky for her Martin seems to have all the patience and good will in the world to let people meet him half way. The latest comic just solidifes that.
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« Reply #78 on: 27 Jan 2009, 10:24 »

Whenever my girlfriend tried to give me shit about having lied I just beat her until she realized that I was right all along. Its true that not all relationships are all peaceful and fluffy, sometimes you just gotta smack the bitch.
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« Reply #79 on: 27 Jan 2009, 10:25 »

a sudden change of personality (even for a short while) needs a reason. (Maybe she was molested the day before and we never saw, and now her resentment towards men is growing)

A story focused on a single main character can get away with "a secondary character has a sudden change and the main character later finds out why". A story with an ensemble cast cannot. And Jeph's newspost the other day implies he believes the characters are acting as they always do.
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« Reply #80 on: 27 Jan 2009, 10:30 »

Whenever my girlfriend tried to give me shit about having lied I just beat her until she realized that I was right all along. Its true that not all relationships are all peaceful and fluffy, sometimes you just gotta smack the bitch.

That, sirrah, is not funny in the slightest.

Whenever my boyfriend tried to give me shit about having lied I just beat him until he realized that I was right all along. Its true that not all relationships are all peaceful and fluffy, sometimes you just gotta smack the bastard.

Now it's hilarious. Put it on the 'net and you'll have defenders in no time.
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« Reply #81 on: 27 Jan 2009, 10:56 »

Whenever my girlfriend tried to give me shit about having lied I just beat her until she realized that I was right all along. Its true that not all relationships are all peaceful and fluffy, sometimes you just gotta smack the bitch.

Please don't say things like that.  You wouldn't want to be personally identified as a rapist or an abuser of women, (I assume) so don't make those who are think that talking about women like that is acceptable.  You are just facilitating abuse by normalizing it, and your little joke isn't funny.
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« Reply #82 on: 27 Jan 2009, 11:18 »

I think he was just joking.


don't go off a handle just for a joke.

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« Reply #83 on: 27 Jan 2009, 12:04 »

Some jokes are not a good idea...
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« Reply #84 on: 27 Jan 2009, 12:12 »

Don't worry ladies, I totally promote non-violence. Except when someone really deserves an asskicking. See: people who actually factually beat their spouses. People who have hit me first. People who hit my friends.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #85 on: 27 Jan 2009, 12:17 »

But Sean Connery says it's OK
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3FgMLROTqJ0
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« Reply #86 on: 27 Jan 2009, 12:18 »

a bit tasteless, but thats life.

Martin needs to set ground rules. In any case, her manner of tone was disrespectful.
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« Reply #87 on: 27 Jan 2009, 14:13 »

They're children - that's the only way to rationalize it.  I suppose it's funny to watch hurtful, thoughtless things done and said for absolutely no purpose at all, good or bad.   Like "Much Ado About Nothing," except maybe not quite as poetic.
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« Reply #88 on: 27 Jan 2009, 17:29 »

The haircut incident, flipping out when Marten said he still cared about Faye & other girls in his past, the Sven incident . . . Dora has serious control issues.  Being insecure is one thing, but this is beyond that.  As far as we know, Dora never revealed to Marten how she knew another girl asked him on a date.  Aside from one panel where he was a little confused, he never pressed the issue.  I would be seriously creeped out, but the poor guy just took this in stride.  Dora's had several of these insecurity/control episodes and she's never taken it upon herself to deal with her issues.  Marten and Faye have talked her down, but always with kid gloves, hoping she'd realize how psycho she can be.  She hasn't.  She expects self-improvement from others, but never herself.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #89 on: 27 Jan 2009, 17:43 »

I actually joined this forum because of this.

I don't know if this is really out of character for Dora... but if it is, I'm glad I don't date her. It just comes down to the fact that Marten did NOT lie (it's not noteworthy). There hasn't been a thing she has said with any reason to it. And I get some emotional response, but no one should be stuck on that so long when they are so completely wrong. Marten should not stand for this and shouldn't be compromising on who is wrong. It's unhealthy to be a door mat.
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« Reply #90 on: 27 Jan 2009, 19:06 »

perhaps they are destined to be a couple which only fights?

Dora is completely wrong, and interestingly, there isn't a single redeeming point for her in this entire arc.

However her subconscious said in all, in her dreams where Martin and the other chick were making out. she is constantly in worry over that. and now its coming through.

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« Reply #91 on: 27 Jan 2009, 19:59 »

Meh, i can tolerate the ocassional bout of stupidity from a character if it leads to amusing things.  Like today's comic for instance, once i realized that not just the waitress, but ALL of them dropped what they were holding, i laughed a lot more, even if i don't see Dora dropping her menu to be something she would do in the situation.
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« Reply #92 on: 27 Jan 2009, 20:06 »

Okay, if I were dating a girl who were to try and pull this passive-aggressive, testing/control bullshit, I'd blow up on her, tell her I don't like her dishonesty, and tell her I'd be willing to spend time with her when she was willing to apologize for not yet being ready for an adult relationship.

Seriously, she and Marten have been dating for at least 6 months now and she's still pulling this insecure high school horse shit.
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« Reply #93 on: 27 Jan 2009, 20:48 »

As satisfying as it may be to see, blowing up just isn't Marty's style. I think at his most pissed off he would just shoot a death glare, walk out, flip the bird, and slam the door. Without saying a thing.
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« Reply #94 on: 27 Jan 2009, 21:47 »

Heheh, Marten would lose a middle finger.

This mini-arc is starting to really piss me off. It just seems a bit contrived and forced, in my opinion...I have an extremely slow connection, so as I'm waiting for the third panel to load ,I'm thinking, "I bet the waitress is the chick," and BAM! there it is. So blatantly obvious. I was anticipating an argument solely for some drama, but this is getting really disappointing. This entire thing seems a little forced to me. An argument over what's going on is just a little bump, nothing real to argue about, and certainly not attention grabbing (at least to me). I want some real drama already.

And, and @ whoever made the 'beat the bitch' comment, I laughed. I sensed your sarcasm.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #95 on: 28 Jan 2009, 07:53 »

what would have been classic would be a "raise the pimp hand" statement.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #96 on: 03 Feb 2009, 00:52 »

OK, found it. The thread with Dora complaining about Marten's haircut starts with number 857. Dora did apologize and show some self-awareness.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #97 on: 04 Feb 2009, 09:31 »

OK, found it. The thread with Dora complaining about Marten's haircut starts with number 857. Dora did apologize and show some self-awareness.

Thanks!  I was having a devil of a time trying to find it.

Yeah, that was just weeeird.  Dora is all about the double standards, it seems, but at least in this past event she realized she was being crazy.
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #98 on: 04 Feb 2009, 11:26 »

I think that we have to be careful whenever we attempt to apply deeper meaning to the funny situations that occur in QC.  It is true that Jeph often foreshadows plot developments weeks or even months in advance (in real time).  However, many times, his slice-of-life jokes have no deeper meaning.  Seeing Dora about to lower the boom on Marten is funny in and of itself.  It does not have to have a deeper meaning on either of their parts, or be a reflection on the current state of the relationship or portend that their good times together are nearing their end.

This is an excellent point Bob.  I think we are obviously seeing more subtle foreshadowing that may eventually lead to a Marten/Faye relationship or relationship fiasco.  I'm guessing that both may eventually be down and require comforting or consoling and then "it just happens".  Hard to say and I don't think it'll be for awhile, but the comic the other day seems to strengthen the idea that they are either meant to be together or that they are meant to totally languish apart.

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I think that subconciously, many of us feel that Marten and Faye are "meant" to be a couple.  But Faye is no where near ready to be in a "serious" relationship.  An arm's length "frenemy with benefits" relationship with Sven is the best that she is capable of handling for the foreseeable future.

While I tend to agree with you on this one, I'm not sure that it would completely stop her if the opportunity as I mentioned above were to arise.  But who knows...

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I do believe that there have been several significant clues from the very beginning that Hanners has a unrequited crush on Marten.  But because of her OCD, I do not believe that she is capable of acting on her attraction to her (and Dora and Faye know this).  In the meantime, she is more than content to be just friends with Marten, Faye & Dora.  I believe that thier friendship is more important to her than she lets them know.  More importantly, she will not do anything that will jeopardize these friendships.  So, I do not see Hanners as waiting in the wings to snatch up Marten, even if his relationship with Dora should end.

Not touching this one... Although I will say that I can totally see the point you're making...  Excellent post overall man...
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Re: Wait, what?
« Reply #99 on: 04 Feb 2009, 13:19 »

"This is an excellent point Bob.  I think we are obviously seeing more subtle foreshadowing that may eventually lead to a Marten/Faye relationship or relationship fiasco.  I'm guessing that both may eventually be down and require comforting or consoling and then "it just happens".  Hard to say and I don't think it'll be for awhile, but the comic the other day seems to strengthen the idea that they are either meant to be together or that they are meant to totally languish apart."

Sorry, but I don't see a Marten/Faye relationship happening anytime soon, if ever.  The few times we've seen them alone together lately they just seem awkward together.  I don't think post-"The Talk" ended up the way either of them wanted or expected.  Sure, Faye knew that Dora would snatch Marten up, but she did ask Dora to promise "not to steal Marty away completely."  She obviously expected to continue a significant friendship with him, more than 3rd wheel or roommates who barely see each other.  From some conversations with Faye shortly after "The Talk," it would seem Marten also expected something more than what they have now.  But aside from working at the library and band practice (what has Deathmole been up to?), Dora has monopolized Marten's time.  This obviously bothers Faye a lot, and is probably what drove her to jump Sven.  But she's witnessed Dora's overreaction on a few occasions so she's decided to just deal with the situation as is for fear of upsetting the apple cart.  I don't think Faye is over Marten.  However, losing Marten was a big step in self-improvement for her, so I don't see her acting on any feelings.  Plus she has feelings for Sven at the moment as well.  Marten probably misses hanging out with Faye, but he's over her.  So sorry, but I think the Marten/Faye ship has sailed.

That being said, Marten isn't the right guy for Dora.  The girl obviously has some issues and they keep coming up.  She's either unwilling or unable to work on them.  When she said her insecurities came from being overshadowed by Sven and having girls use her to get to him, I think she was only telling half the truth.  In a really early strip, Sven took Dora out to lunch and Dora talked about how she liked Marten but he and Faye had mutual feelings.  Sven said something to the extent of "that hasn't stopped you before."  Dora has probably hooked up with or tried to hook up with a guy who was in another courtship/relationship at least once before, and she probably had it blow up in her face.  She expected she had a boyfriend, but he went back to the other girl or got upset with her for ruining what he had with someone else.  Or she learned that if he cheats on someone else with you, he'll probably cheat on you, too.  This kept her from acting on her feelings for Marten until "The Talk," but she's still carried her preconceptions over to her relationship with Marten.  Dora needs a guy who is into her from the get-go, and that's not Marten.  If Jeph ever introduces such a guy, that might be the catalyst needed to break them up.  I don't think Dora would dump Marten and pick up with someone else right away, but meeting someone like that might make her realize that the situation she's in with Marten isn't good for her.  Then we might actually get some Dora character development, hoorah!
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