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Nodaisho:
Well, the thing is that power isn't necessarily important in wounding, with pistols it is the size of the wound channel that matters, with rifles it is argued over whether the hydrostatic shock actually has noticeable effect, and if it makes up for lack of permanent wound channel. The glock 31 only has a 4.5 inch barrel, the most common .45 has a 5 inch barrel in the standard model, with some 4 inch ones, and a few 3" models (there are reliability issues with most of them, which is why they aren't more popular). If they were immune to pain, the issue would be stopping them as quickly as possible, which would either mean crippling (spine severing? shotguns would be good for that.) or killing (headshot), rather than waiting for the bleeding to kill them. Normally, people stop when shot because it hurts like hell. When they don't, it goes very bad.

I would go with a 10mm, assuming I'm not a wimp and can handle the recoil, but would have my rifle out whenever I had the chance. The 74U is very small, less than 20" with the stock folded, and it doesn't extend more than 4 inches past your front hand. I would also go with carrying a round in the chamber and having the safety on for rifles as well as pistols, that allows one more round before reloading the first time, and there really isn't any danger of them going off, as long as the safety is on. Sure, have a pistol, but only as a back-up, for when you are in serious shit, but not quite bad enough to need to be going hand-to-hand. In case of the living, crazy, human zombies, I think I'd go with a Saiga-12K rather than the 74, with 10 round magazines of buckshot, it would make headshots easier, and the greater spread makes spine severing more likely as well, if you aim for center of mass (though then they will keep crawling at you, you'll have to stay away long enough for them to bleed out, or finish them).

Patrick:

--- Quote from: Jeans on 31 Jan 2009, 19:27 ---bullets do not make you fly backwards when hit, contrary to popular hollywood method.

--- End quote ---

I'm not looking for flight, just enough to slow them down enough so that they get bumped into, losing their balance, causing them to trip over and cause a disturbance in the movement of the rest of the horde. That would buy enough time to get your rifle out and ready while you run.

Spluff:
pfffft

amateurs

Nodaisho:
And, if they are too close for you to not get blown up too, just turn around and fire. Mmm, toasty.

Jens, that is a misleading link. The force from a handgun bullet is hundreds of foot-pounds, usually upwards of 300 (the caliber he mentioned is between 400 and 500, depending on loading). If it transferred all of that as a push, someone would get slowed down. The problem is that bullets don't do that, they put their energy into penetration rather than pushing.

Patrick:
Let's go back a second here to the pain theory, then. I just don't quite think I agree with the idea that they don't feel pain. If they are aware, to me that sounds like they've got sufficient neurological function to do just that. And given that they've got parasites affecting their instinctive reactions to make them attack any living thing to get the meat off of it, I would imagine that not only are their feeding instincts amplified, the neural mechanisms for their survival instincts would be sharpened as well.

Back to the forces in question with handguns: say you aim for the legs. Do you think that would be enough of a slowdown to make them trip up? If not, do you just aim in the general direction of their heads and empty the shit out of that pistol and hope one of them dies, causing the same domino effect?

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