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Oh, Sven ...
SrMeowMeow:
--- Quote from: bfd on 06 Feb 2009, 10:20 ---But doesnt complaining about 'fanservice' and voicing what you think was done wrong should also be considered a ploy for 'fanservice'? If its not, then it seems like a big 'LOOK AT ME' ploy, where as its as if you just wanted to say someting for the sake of saying something. Meh, oh well, people of all types lurk these vast intarwebz...
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I admit that I post my opinions on things because I want people to read them and potentially be convinced by them...isn't that sort of the point of having a discussion? :-P
zeku:
I, for one, am delighted. I've been wishing for something to come along and destabilize the situation in QC world for a while. The angsty relationship drama plotlines are why I liked this strip in the first place. Do I speak up to complain when the plot isn't going where I like? No. It's Jeph's comic, and should go where he wants it to. It has a large fanbase, and nobody is going to be pleased with every turn of events.
My personal opinion is that nothing especially interesting has happened since Marten and Faye had the "big talk" and he and Dora got together. With the exception of the side plot about Steve and Meena, which seems to have been abandoned, but for a single disconnected strip showing Steve hitting the hooch.
So I am hoping that Faye will find out about this, that Marten and Dora will fight about which of them is in the wrong, and that Sven will be racked with guilt and try unsuccessfully to get back into Faye's good graces, only to find that she and Marten have drunkenly hooked up after commiserating over their respective relationship troubles, and also that Faye has busted the Vespavenger out of the slammer, and that they've installed Vespa-bot's personality into Hannelore's robot boyfriend.
But that's just me. If it doesn't happen that way, I won't start posting about how Jeph is doing it wrong.
benji:
--- Quote from: SrMeowMeow on 06 Feb 2009, 09:38 ---I don't know. I guess you're right, but here's an example...there's some webcomic I saw linked somewhere called, like, Lesbian Space Pirates or something. I checked it out hoping desperately that it was at least written by a woman. It was, and turned out to actually be written by a lesbian, so, score, I guess :-P My point is, you can see how a webcomic about Lesbian Space Pirates written by a man could easily come across as exploitative, right? I feel like there's a fine line between writing for a variety of characters of both genders, and just projecting desires on the characters or getting easy copy out of having some characters just having some gratuitous sex.
As I said, it's a) personal preference and b) a fine line, that for the most part I think Jeph successfully straddles. I mean, I do like QC. But I don't think it's unfair to sometimes complain when I think it goes too far in one direction or another.
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I'm not sure what to make of the implication that lesbian comics aren't exploitative because they're drawn by lesbians. Gedris tends to keep things relatively clean, but that's just her. Plenty of lesbian comic writers do explicit sex scenes. So why is a gay woman drawing gay women having sex not exploitation while having a straight man drawing straight people having sex is?
SrMeowMeow:
I'm not sure what to make of it either. I feel like maybe it's wrong of me to think that (somehow) but it definitely colors my thoughts. If I read a lesbian comic with lots of sexual thoughts from the female protagonist, I would be pretty uncomfortable to find out it was drawn by a man. Somehow that feels pornographic in the hands of a man in a way that it doesn't if it's drawn by a lesbian. Is that wrong? I'm not sure. I'd feel the same way about a comic that contained lots of explicit thoughts and experiences about a male protagonist if it was drawn by a woman, by the way. It seems like vicarious exploration of fantasies rather than something honest. This is obviously more extreme than how I feel about QC sometimes, but I'm just making an argument.
I'm really not sure how I feel about my opinions on this, but I do hold them pretty strongly. I'm happy to debate them, though, and I'm also happy to change my mind.
Jackie Blue:
Just to be clear, the fanservice is, in my view, not the sex scene itself but rather the drama that he is creating by setting up a Faye-Sven Explosion.
Also, I think Jeph has been pandering to his audience (which, for the past couple years, has become mostly composed of people a decade or more younger than him who have very little in common with him) for a while now; this strip just made it super-obvious.
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