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Scott Pilgrim and the Movie That Makes Me Nervous
KvP:
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 29 Aug 2010, 00:59 ---i mean i understand that as an absurdly beautiful opposite-gender-type you might have no interest in fawning over a twenty-something putz who plays in a low-level indie rock band and loves video games and has terrible luck with women, but at least let those of us cognizant of the fantasy entertain said fantasy for a couple of hours
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Could we really say that about any other rom-com, though? I haven't seen the film but everything I've read and heard leads me to believe that there isn't a whole lot of "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" dust on the film. The blame might not fall on anyone in particular - some people just can't enjoy a film in which there are no characters they can invest in, and not caring about a character doesn't necessarily entail a mistake on the part of the artist. Sometimes that's intentional (see: Naked, Withnail and I, In the Company of Men, the collected works of Todd Solondz, etc.) and the scuttlebutt certainly seems to be that Scott Pilgrim as a character is supposed to be intermittently moronic and almost constantly self-centered. That puts it a notch above rom-coms in which central characters who are assholes are supposed to be wholly sympathetic, but you can still "get it" and not like it.
I don't know if any of that made sense.
Graphite:
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 29 Aug 2010, 00:59 ---i mean i understand that as an absurdly beautiful opposite-gender-type you might have no interest in fawning over a twenty-something putz who plays in a low-level indie rock band and loves video games and has terrible luck with women, but at least let those of us cognizant of the fantasy entertain said fantasy for a couple of hours
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He doesn't actually seem to have terrible luck with women - he's had a fair number of past relationships for a guy his age, with quite lovely girls for the most part, and is generally the heartbreaker rather than the victim, apart from with Envy. He's difficult to invest in as a plausible romantic lead because he doesn't seem to have enough wonderful qualities to override his arrogance and his crappy treatment of Knives. But then, Ramona's main positive qualities could be generally characterised as being extremely cool, very attractive, and into the same things as Scott - she isn't actually a "better person" than Scott in any tangible way. She's been the heartbreaker to at least the same extent as Scott, they're on the same kinds of career paths (work to live, not live to work), and he has a creative pursuit she doesn't - the music. The only real difference between the two of them is in perceived attractiveness levels, and apparently Cera does it for a fair few people, physical-type-wise, since girls' magazines seem to find printing the occasional poster of him to be a profitable venture, so if you presume that Ramona's taste is slightly offbeat, they're pretty much on the same footing.
</person who hasn't yet read the comics>
Ozymandias:
See, Ramona totally is the "Manic Pixie Dream Girl" in the beginning of the comics. It's just as the comics develop, it becomes completely apparent how much like Scott she really is and how much she just has tons of flaws and baggage and refuses to deal with it. I don't think she has that same sort of development in the movie at all.
But yeah, Scott doesn't have terrible luck with women, he's just a terrible person. I mean, the two major female interests to him are a 17 year old girl who doesn't know better and is just star-struck by an older guy and Ramona, who is flaky and flits about from one guy to another without keeping any lasting emotional attachment to them while they remain obsessed with her.
Johnny C:
yo IDIOTS yunior was supposed to chomp the bait and talk me up as a handsome talented dude that the ladies be all up ons, do you even read my posts
allison:
Saw this tonight. Loved the little shout-outs to Toronto, and the small touches they had. Did anyone else notice Young Neil was wearing an A Softer World t-shirt? (I am too lazy to read this thread whole thread to find out if anyone had mentioned it)
Anyway I even kind of liked Michael Cera in the role, though I did not expect to. Edgar Wright was the perfect choice to direct, I think he did a fantastic job. I did not have the best experience seeing it because the friends I went with were clearly not enjoying the film as much as I was and I felt guilty for suggesting it. I will have to go again with someone who can nerd out with me.
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