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WCT: Feb 23 - 27
Mallli_kite:
--- Quote from: lisavilisa on 25 Feb 2009, 07:06 ---Yes or No: Is it possible to do something that is Not wrong, but still feel bad about it?
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Oh sure it is -- for some folks, guilt is an automatic reactions. Not Sven, I'm guessing, but for some. It has more to do with how you feel about yourself than what actually happened.
I have bided. Biding is complete.
On the comic -- great perspectives! Nice work. "Self-immolation" line was excellent.
On Dora/Sven violence -- it's built into the strip at this point, and like it or not, people do this kind of stuff. I don't personally approve or condone physical violence and I don't think size, gender, or age gives someone a "right" or an out on the subject. However, Mr. Jacques is neither required to shape his art as an ideal society of ideal people, nor is that going to make a good comic that more or less reflects what happens in the world. It is a comic. Like a book, a tv show, a movie, or any other form of entertainment that doesn't suit, it can be Not Looked At. I have serious doubts that the artis has an agenda to support woman on man violence. We tend to react to pain by either crying, laughing, or getting angry (there are other reactions, but I'd rather not go there). He's going for the laugh, not the political statement.
On Sven being an ass/Sven hate -- Yeah, his language is full of the "not my fault" nuances. He's not yet taking big responsibility for it, although I'd venture this is probably the MOST responsibility he's EVER taken. We have no evidence that he's ever even had the THOUGHT that his actions might hurt someone. I've said it before -- this is new ground for Sven. It's going to take him more than two days (since we are still on the Sunday-After-The-Concert) to really process this and grow. Moreover, he's not doing the one thing to guarantee his assholery -- he isn't blaming anyone else. He isn't saying "Look, it's her fault for..." or "Look, it was the alcohol..." or anything like that. Assholery is doing something that causes pain to others, and then blaming others.
On It Being Faye's Fault -- yes, it is, at least in part. No matter what excuses are thrown up, she has to be allowed responsibility for her own choices. No one promised her candy. No one tied her up and forced her into sex with Sven. She wasn't ordered by the Ghost of her father, all Hamlet style. She's intelligent and responsible for herself. If she made choices that ended in her getting hurt, she still made the choices along the way -- what's more, she KNOWS it. She said it in the strip with Marten. Don't deny her the province of adulthood. None of that means her hurt isn't valid, or any bullshit about "she deserved it". Faye doesn't deserve to be hurt, but, yeah, she can do things that result in being hurt.
Whoa, diatribe. Ok, last things.
I'm really surprised at the nuance and depth this comic has achieved. It's VERY involving.
Time for new biding.
wargrafix:
Faye is a bit of a pussy for running and crying to everyone about her one night stand arrangements.
Sven may be at fault to an extent, but he has nothing to do with her impression of what "relationship" idea Faye was getting.
disaacs:
--- Quote from: wargrafix on 25 Feb 2009, 07:44 ---Faye is a bit of a pussy for running and crying to everyone about her one night stand arrangements.
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It was originally a one-night stand arrangement, and then it became a friends-with-benefits arrangement. And then I think Faye (and Sven to some extent) were just beginning to suspect it could grow into something more meaningful.
If Sven had gone a-screwin' soon after the first Faye/Sven hookup, Faye would have gotten a bit pissed off (mostly at herself), shrugged, and moved on. She was just beginning to believe that maybe Sven could really have changed, when it was rubbed in her face that he hasn't. At least not on the outside. It is interesting that nobody except Sven knows that he was regretting his actions while he was doing them, and for the first time Sven has been hurt by his own actions. This might be a big life lesson for him. Maybe he has changed, but unfortunately he's sacrificed Faye in the process.
Blyss:
Faye's hurt - Sven's grown (if only a TINY bit), and they both learned something...
...I think.
It bugs me a little that he's still being non-apologetic in a way - but he was honest at least.
Meh.
**sits and waits for the next comic**
:-D
Mominator:
--- Quote from: wargrafix on 25 Feb 2009, 07:44 ---Faye is a bit of a pussy for running and crying to everyone about her one night stand arrangements.
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Do you really think so? A very typical reaction for a girl is to cry on a friend's shoulder. I think that she shows healing and getting out of her crazy box by running to Dora instead of drinking or whatever. She is also exhibiting a lot of trust in Dora, so that is very good for their friendship, which got all weird when Dora and Marten got together.
Sven, however... he KNEW it was wrong, but he still did it. I hope he takes his brain out of his pants some more and hopefully he will see what he did to Faye (yeah yeah, I know, she did part of this to herself) and maybe offer some token of apology? Or maybe try to patch it up? I dunno, I LIKED Svaye! :cry:
Faye = healthy response so far
Sven = dumbass
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