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sandysmilinstrange:
--- Quote from: ZedAvatar on 23 Feb 2009, 18:34 ---The thing that bugs me the most is the fact that they created a "Best Animated Feature Film" category. Its existence automatically excludes any animated movie from winning "Best Picture" - EVER. I have no doubt that Wall-E would have won Best Picture, had they not segregated animated movies into their own category. I don't get it - Beauty and the Beast was a contender for Best Picture. It just ticks me off that the Academy seems to have an innate disdain for certain genres (action movies, comedies, fantasy movies, etc) because they aren't considered "art." Even though Return of the King won Best Picture, it seemed like a sympathy vote.
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I think Beauty and the Beast was what set the animated movie category in motion. It doesn't matter how great a movie is or how deserving of an Oscar it would be, chances are it would not win against a biopic or costume drama of some kind. If amazing animated films were snubbed time and time again, it would probably upset a few apple carts, so they made them their own category. In a way this is a good thing because they don't go home empty handed every year, but it is also short-changing them since Pixar is (in my opinion) doing the best storytelling in cinema today and has been for several years now and they will never be recognized as making the best movie of the year (even though they did), only the best cartoon (also true).
It's still disappointing.
Alex C:
You guys realize that not everybody actually liked Wall-E all that much, right? I mean, it was a pretty ham-fisted movie in regards to its big themes. It was charming movie and had incredible technical merit; I won't deny that. I'd have rather seen it nominated than Slumdog or Benjamin Button, but I liked Frost/Nixon about a million times better, and Milk was probably just as good, even if I am leaning towards Frost/Nixon as my fave. As far as I'm concerned, Wall-E peaked as a movie right around the time where he's deciding whether to put the spork with the forks or the spoons. It was all downhill from there.
sandysmilinstrange:
Yeah, not everyone is going to like the same movies, but I'm talking more about animated movies in general. Although considering what a crummy year for movies it was to me, I'd still say I think Wall-E was probably top of the line.
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 24 Feb 2009, 09:35 ---You guys realize that not everybody actually liked Wall-E all that much, right? I mean, it was a pretty ham-fisted movie in regards to its big themes. It was charming movie and had incredible technical merit; I won't deny that. I'd have rather seen it nominated than Slumdog or Benjamin Button, but I liked Frost/Nixon about a million times better, and Milk was probably just as good, even if I am leaning towards Frost/Nixon as my fave. As far as I'm concerned, Wall-E peaked as a movie right around the time where he's deciding whether to put the spork with the forks or the spoons. It was all downhill from there.
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Not everyone liked Frost/Nixon or Milk all that much either.
What I am saying is that I don't understand your point.
benji:
I think his point was that, even if there wasn't an animated feature category, there's no real guarantee that Wall-E would have won Best Picture. I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have, as a matter of fact. Most of the acadamy are still people who work in things that aren't animation, and many of these people still look down on animation as "less than."
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