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Here are the major changes:


-A major alteration present is the more "stylized" and "outlandish" nature of the fight scenes instead of the more "gritty" and "realistic" approach taken by the novel. The costumed vigilantes more or less become "super heroes" as characters are seen punching through walls, inverting knees, jumping outlandish distances, and twisting heads backwards; to name just a few instances.

-Rorschach's first visit to Happy Harry's has been removed from the theatrical cut. Not entirely sure if the scene will make it into the directors cut or not.

- Rorschach's visit (warning) to Veidt has been removed and instead replaced with Dan Dreiberg visiting Viedt and warning him about the idea of a "mask killer" on the loose.

- Rorschach's commentary on Veidt with the line "Possibly Homosexual? Must Remember To Investigate Further" was removed from the theatrical cut.

- The two Bernie's seen on numerous occasions at the newsstand are given minimal screen time and no dialogue. Though scenes with them were shot and expect to see them restored in the directors cut.

-Laurie does not smoke at all.

- "The Crimebusters" are now referred to as "Watchmen."

- Capitan Metropolis is no longer a part of The Crimebusters meeting and is instead replaced by Veidt.

-Dreiberg's (Nite Owl II) impotency is not explicitly stated.

-Laurie no longer throws the bottle of perfume on Mars, but instead repeatedly hits the tower structure Jon built until it crumbles.

-Dr. Manhattan explicitly states that The Comedian is Laurie's father, rather than simply imply it like graphic novel chose to.

-The vivarium's been removed altogether.

-Hollis Mason's (the original Nite Owl) death was removed completely from the theatrical cut. No mention of it remains, although the scenes were shot and should be present in the directors cut.

-The fight scene between Rorschach, Nite Owl II, and Veidt has been altered to be more outlandish and stylistic than what the graphic novel originally portrayed it as.

- The scene where Big Figure and a fellow prisoner cut through the heavy set prisoner to get into Rorschach's cell was altered a bit to be more gruesome.

- Rorschach's backstory remains intact, for the most part. he still murders Grice's two German Shepherds and tosses them at him just like the graphic novel...

Here's a rather lengthy explanation of the altered ending and how it plays out...

- Veidt and Manhattan essentially team up to create a new form of energy. Veidt then uses Manhattan's signature energy to create numerous explosions in a select amount of major cities, although only New York is shown. Shot of blue explosion is displayed and the two Bernie's embracing to form the graffiti of the two figures on the wall remains. The world then assumes that the attack was emotionally driven by Manhattan due to the numerous media attacks against him (which were originally caused by Veidt, to begin with). Manhattan then decides to depart Earth in a similar manner to the graphic novel.

- The infamous scene in the graphic novel with numerous corpses piled throughout New York has been replaced with a landscape of rubble. Think of it as the aftermath of a large explosion, with no bodies present to provide the impact of the original scene in the novel.

-Rorschach's death is essentially the same, although Dan Dreiberg witnesses the moment to increase the dramatic nature of the scene.

Here's a rather rough run down of the final moments between Dreiberg and Veidt...

- Dan Dreiberg becomes enraged after he witnesses the death of Rorschach. He rips his cowl off and rushes inside to confront Veidt and delivers numerous punches. Dan wants Veidt to be the bad guy and attempts to solve the problem through fighting as a "hero." Veidt does not fight back and Dan realizes it's pointless and him and Laurie leave Veidt to ponder his actions.

- The sex scene between Dan and Laurie in Karnak has been completely removed.

And now for the final shot...

- The ending scene remains intact, with the exception of the addition of the line "Tonight, a Comedian died in New York" from Rorschach as the camera zooms in on Seymour's stained smiley face shirt. It's not explicitly shown that Seymour grabs Rorschach's journal and the open ended nature of the graphic novel's final panel still remains, albeit with the subtle nature of the reference to the Comedians stained smiley face badge ultimately being lost due to the addition of Rorschach's line.


Overall, It wasn't bad. Too much superhuman strength and slow-mo, though, and the omission of the dead bodies in New York really ruins the dramatic effect of the scene.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #1 on: 02 Mar 2009, 21:12 »

Um, so I already saw it and thus this doesn't really affect me, but why the hell would you post this?
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #2 on: 02 Mar 2009, 21:25 »

Um, so I already saw it and thus this doesn't really affect me, but why the hell would you post this?

Because some people have read the comic and not seen the movie. These people might want to know this. Thus, this thread.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #3 on: 02 Mar 2009, 21:28 »

 I sure wanted to know. Also, he warned of spoilers, so people know what they are getting into.

 Overall, I'm happy with what you've said. Doesn't seem too far off. I don't like the superhero-y stuff though.. I guess they had to do SOME things to draw in those who are only interested in an action movie though.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #4 on: 03 Mar 2009, 14:31 »

my only complaint with those changes is that they had to go and PC it up to avoid offending, like, ten people. no smoking? pshh. and i really liked Rorschach's "possibly homosexual" line even though it didn't feel like it quite fit, it still worked because it shows Rorschach's analytic and clinical way of looking at things. i guess it kinda sucks that they changed the ending, but it could still work just as well this way; i will reserve judgment until i've seen it.

oh and excessive slow-motion? come on, did really you expect anything less from Zack Snyder? that's his thing.


when does this movie come out anyway? friday or saturday or something, right?
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #5 on: 03 Mar 2009, 21:28 »

my only complaint with those changes is that they had to go and PC it up to avoid offending, like, ten people. no smoking? pshh. and i really liked Rorschach's "possibly homosexual" line even though it didn't feel like it quite fit, it still worked because it shows Rorschach's analytic and clinical way of looking at things. i guess it kinda sucks that they changed the ending, but it could still work just as well this way; i will reserve judgment until i've seen it.

oh and excessive slow-motion? come on, did really you expect anything less from Zack Snyder? that's his thing.


when does this movie come out anyway? friday or saturday or something, right?

My first thought upon hearing that Snyder was going to be directing was "oh shit, here comes the slow-mo." But I heard he was a huge fan of the comic book, so I got my hopes up that he would tone it down a little. When he didn't it wasn't a big deal, it was just slightly enough to take me out of the movie for a little bit.

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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #6 on: 04 Mar 2009, 05:17 »

What did you think of the soundtrack?
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #7 on: 04 Mar 2009, 18:53 »

Quality. They actually picked the songs quoted by Moore at the end of chapters in a few cases.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #8 on: 04 Mar 2009, 20:49 »

Quality. They actually picked the songs quoted by Moore at the end of chapters in a few cases.

Pretty much this.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #9 on: 05 Mar 2009, 09:54 »

Very nice - thank you for the info.

I still want to see it - even with the changes.  I think it'll be good anyway.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #10 on: 06 Mar 2009, 07:41 »

It sounds alright, but I may just wait for the director's cut anyway. I'd rather see the movie in its entirety, even if it's balls long.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #11 on: 06 Mar 2009, 08:41 »

i am a huge fan of the comic, but i have to admit that i thought the music (simon and garfunkel and nena) didn't fit to the mood of the movie/the scene it played. this kind of contrast  worked in american psycho, but it didn't work in watchmen.

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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #12 on: 06 Mar 2009, 10:44 »

Honestly, I thought the movie was pretty damn good a few things that might have made it better, but a lot of that i expect to be in the "Holy shit this is long" edition.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #13 on: 07 Mar 2009, 07:44 »

The movie itself is about 2.5 hours long, so the directors cut is going to be looooooooooooooooooooooong.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #14 on: 07 Mar 2009, 12:13 »

Okay, here are my thoughts on the movie:

I thought the opening fight/murder scene was pretty good. Opening credits were good, but they sure did reveal an awful lot, though perhaps not for people who hadn't read the book?

The actors who played the Comedian, Dan and Rorschach were pretty damn spot on. However, if you actor has to stand swaybacked to give the appearance of a gut, maybe you should ask him to put on some weight for the role or just forget about the gut entirely.

I still maintain that they guy who played Veidt looked nothing like he was supposed to, but he did have a rather commanding screen presence. Sort of wish he'd dropped the accent, though. Also, I wish they'd just left the cat out. With no previous mention or sight of her, she just looked out of place (and rather poorly animated).

Few of the characters had the voice/mannerisms I always pictured. That's not really a complaint, because I can't say it wasn't effective, but it was distracting for me a bit.

Dan seeing Rorschach get killed strangely robbed the scene of some of its poignancy. It made more sense that man who wasn't of any consequence to anyone without his mask off dies without much consequence pretty much alone and unmasked.

The two Bernies and the doctor deserved more screen time. They were such great supporting characters in the book that I felt a bit cheated.

The fighting was mostly kind of lame. He did make them fairly "super".

Nothing to do with the movie, but man an audience can really interfere with my movie watching experience. They were laughing at all the wrong parts and cheering at odd moments.

Bleh.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #15 on: 07 Mar 2009, 13:48 »

Patrick Wilson reportedly gained 25 pounds of fat for the role. He was a skinny guy to begin with, so it's hard to see him being actually fat, although he is out of shape.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #16 on: 07 Mar 2009, 17:49 »

Yeah, but the weight he gained looked like it was mostly muscle mass in the chest/shoulder area. I don't remember him being as broad in the shoulder, but then again, I don't think I've seen him naked in anything else.

I agree with sandy about Veidt. He didn't look quite right (mostly the wig annoyed me) and he kept going back and forth between an American accent and his British one. But other than that, I thought he was quite good.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #17 on: 07 Mar 2009, 17:54 »

Veidt reminded me of Belloq from Raiders of the Lost Ark - he's got the demeanor of a sociopath. They couldn't have better telegraphed his villainy from the start if they tried.
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Re: Watchmen prescreening *SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER*
« Reply #18 on: 07 Mar 2009, 18:05 »

I'm gonna lock this thread now, seeing as how the movie's out so there's no need to talk about pre-screenings anymore and there's another Watchmen movie thread that's been going for six pages.
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