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[pwhodges]

If you're suggesting that the major/minor clash is anything other than deliberate, why should we take you more seriously than the article?

[Jackie Blue]

Well, as a musician I find the level of deliberation that is presented in that paragraph to be utterly laughable in the sense of being something that was done on purpose, especially in the context of the musician involved.

[Tom]

Yes the album is highly overrated, but the people hating on it because of that are, frankly, being stupid.  Hell, I like the album.  It's in my top ten favorites, even.  But people, it's just a pop album. Some people are going to like it, some are going to hate it, and some people are going to write shitty papers on it.  Hating it for its popularity, though, is just one of the biggest damn fallacies I can imagine.

I'm really starting to hate this whole arguing over it thing.  Can we not?

My sentiments exactly, I love the album but it is not "the greatest album ever", there is no such thing.

[Jackie Blue]

actually the best album ever is clearly jadiohead

[Dotes]

Seconded.

[E. Spaceman]

Aside from Unknown Pleasures, Kind of Blue, Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper's, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Blue, and Bridge Over Troubled Water, of course.

Dang it kid, aside from Pet Sounds and Kind of Blue, all the artists you mentioned have far better albums

[Inlander]

'Round About Midnight is a better Miles Davis album than Kind of Blue, and there's absolutely nothing anybody can say to change my mind on that.

[E. Spaceman]

I can see it go both ways but neither is far better than the other.

[Inlander]

Ha, so am I! I'm pretty sure it's my favourite album of any genre, of any era. If there is a perfect album this is it, I've no doubt of that.

[Hat]

Emilio are you arguing Fear of a Black Planet is better than It Takes a Nation of Millions, or are we stlll friends?

[el_loco_avs]

Indie related music forum, yes. Any other genre, no.

Sorry to dig this up.

But I just saw a poll on an ICEHOCKEY forum putting ITAOTS up against OK Computer. It managed to get over a third of the votes too.

So. Erm. Yeah.

It's even more well known than I thought. O_O

[öde]

I don't feel the article added anything at all, and in many instances was forcefully assumptive of the inspiration and intentions of the artists. It's a pretty bollocks article since it reminds me of the crap I used to write in college.

[exomni]

'Round About Midnight is a better Miles Davis album than Kind of Blue, and there's absolutely nothing anybody can say to change my mind on that.

On the Corner

Emilio are you arguing Fear of a Black Planet is better than It Takes a Nation of Millions, or are we stlll friends?

I have long ago decided to give up deciding which is a better album. They are a perfect tie.

That being said, I prefer It Takes a Nation of Millions.

[exomni]

#1: old topic is old
#2: slow down, mate

Brother, it's at the top of the pile, apologies if you have a problem with that.

If you have nothing to say, please don't say it, if you have something to say, I don't particularly care how old the topic is.

[valley_parade]

Oh boy, you are going to make so many friends here.

[exomni]

@ Valley

Oh, I'm sure. I'm already being stalked across the board by hecklers. This is a good omen

#2: slow down, mate

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[McTaggart]

And you've posted 14 today so far.

[valley_parade]

Yeah, Senor Norway has been around here for quite a while. He may have an up there daily postcount, but he makes some startlingly good posts.

See also: the time in the photothread he wore a dress.

[exomni]

And you've posted 14 today so far.

I don't think you quite grasp the concept of averages.


Then again, perhaps you are literally on here every day posting exactly 1.901 times, in which case I both salute you for being about to  make a .901th of a post, and suggest you get out more 

[pwhodges]

This place is a bit like real life, in that it's worth spending time getting to know about the people here before stepping in*, and the people like to get to know you a bit to get a handle on where you're coming from (the Hi I'm New forum is about that). 


* or stepping on toes

[Avec]

Isn't there a thread for album cults?

[Beren]

Man, not only did you necro a thread, you necro-ed one that bugged the hell out of me. 

[exomni]

Add to that the fact that you took it upon yourself to dictate how the mediaf!re thread is supposed to work, and maybe you'll see why people find it slightly annoying..

Wow. This is honestly ridiculous.

"Dictate how the med!afire thread is supposed to work"?

What the hell, man? Did I fuck your mother or something? Why the fuck are you giving me this bullshit?

Not once did I "dictate" how the thread is "supposed to go."

Every post I made concerning the discussion in the med!afire thread was in defense of the people you've been badmouthing for posting good albums, simply because you can't fathom the idea of posting an album without a shitty generic description of the band posted.

My entire point has always been that people should be welcomed and accepted no matter how much or how little they want to say about the albums they're posting.

I'm not "dictating" anything, all I'm asking is for people to chill out and not get so uptight because people don't choose to post generic two-line bullshit on every single album they post.


Guess who's dictating? YOU, for dogmatically DEMANDING that EVERYONE post something about the artist on EVERY album they post. YOU are the one DEMANDING things be done in a certain way. I couldn't care less "how things should be done", it's up to individual posters to decide how they like to post.

I've been nothing but civil when discussing in the med!afire thread, but I'm not about to take shit sitting down from you, stalking me just to heckle all of my posts because I dared have an opinion that differed from yours.

If you can't listen respectfully to opinions that differ from your own without characterizing them as "dictating", I feel deeply sorry for you, you have a lot of growing up to do.


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I'll also note here that you claim the music forum "moves slowly" and AT THE SAME TIME complain that I posted in a thread less than a month old. If you're going to unreasonably heckle me because I dared differ with your opinion in the med!afire thread, at least pretend to have a consistent reason for it.

[Beren]

Did I fuck your mother or something?

This is the internet. You might have. You can't know.

[the_pied_piper]

I'm not "dictating" anything, all I'm asking is for people to chill out and not get so uptight because people don't choose to post generic two-line bullshit on every single album they post.

Here is an example of a very simple yet effective description of a band.

proto-punk glam rock

One line, 3 words. Probably took about 5 seconds to type. If you feel that an album needs a longer description to be justified then thats up to you but there is no problem with making a post like this.

[exomni]

I'm not "dictating" anything, all I'm asking is for people to chill out and not get so uptight because people don't choose to post generic two-line bullshit on every single album they post.

Here is an example of a very simple yet effective description of a band.

proto-punk glam rock

One line, 3 words. Probably took about 5 seconds to type. If you feel that an album needs a longer description to be justified then thats up to you but there is no problem with making a post like this.

Useful to someone trying to collect every proto-punk glam rock album ever released, perhaps.

Though one would hope if you have such an intent, you'd have already heard of the album being posted, in which case it would be just as useful to you as if the three words weren't there at all.

I fit in the latter category.


Once again, there's nothing WRONG with posting a three-word description, and if you want, knock yourself out. I AM COMPLETELY ACCEPTING. I simply don't DEMAND dogmatically that people do so. If they want: good, great! If they don't: I'm not going to demand and dictate that they do so.

[KickThatBathProf]

I'll also note here that you claim the music forum "moves slowly" and AT THE SAME TIME complain that I posted in a thread less than a month old. If you're going to unreasonably heckle me because I dared differ with your opinion in the med!afire thread, at least pretend to have a consistent reason for it.

#1 It was not less than a month old.
#2 Sure this forum moves slowly, but this thread was probably on the third or fourth page and had obviously run it's course.  Granted, it was linked in a recent and popular thread, but that was just to prove a point.  There was pretty much nothing you could've posted that would have warranted reviving this thread.

[the_pied_piper]

Useful to someone trying to collect every proto-punk glam rock album ever released, perhaps.

No, the point was that if you don't post a description of the album then how are people going to know what it is about? Whether you just post a genre like i showed or whether you post similar bands it doesn't matter, just give people a fighting chance of knowing something about the album so that they don't blindly download it, delete it and feel that they have just wasted bandwidth to do so.

[exomni]

#2 Sure this forum moves slowly, but this thread was probably on the third or fourth page and had obviously run it's course.

It was on the first page.

It was the fourth thread down.

Had I known it was over a month old, I wouldn't have posted. My apologies. If the music forum moves so slowly a thread over a month old is the fourth thread down, I don't see why people are complaining about my posting more.

Useful to someone trying to collect every proto-punk glam rock album ever released, perhaps.

No, the point was that if you don't post a description of the album then how are people going to know what it is about? Whether you just post a genre like i showed or whether you post similar bands it doesn't matter, just give people a fighting chance of knowing something about the album so that they don't blindly download it, delete it and feel that they have just wasted bandwidth to do so.

http://www.google.com/

And the name of the artist is far more information to go on than a shitty genre tag.

[pwhodges]

#2 Sure this forum moves slowly, but this thread was probably on the third or fourth page and had obviously run it's course.

It was on the first page.

It was the fourth thread down.

Had I known it was over a month old, I wouldn't have posted.

Every message has its date - the date of the previous message to your first one in this thread was Feb 18th, so I really can't believe that it was the fourth thread in the forum.  Fourth on the second page, perhaps.  This board takes a rather severe view of bringing back dead threads.  Whether or not this is logical, it is how it is, and if you hang around a bit longer before getting stuck in, this, and many other things, will become readily apparent.

[DarkAvenger]

It is not my right to say, but it isn't just that you revived a dead thread. It is also that you had literally nothing to provide to it. There is a social code to this forum. You've broken many of it's unwritten rules. Thanks for posting.




PS. You've also been a dick to a few of this forum's most highly regarded members. That's not really a good idea if you plan on sticking around. Just check out dalconnsuch's profile. He isn't around anymore because not many people liked him very much.

[jimbunny]

So, I think too much has been made of this particular article as a representation of academic writing in general; this guy is not a professional (though clearly he has intentions of becoming one). Sure, some of it is impenetrable, but sometimes - especially at higher levels of academia - to be impenetrable is simply to express an insight that requires a certain amount of linguistic footwork, in the interest of economy. Sometimes parodies and criticisms of it are just and proper, but to write it off because it does not conform to your preferred mode of dialogue (vernacular) is unfair. It seems like the least that this paper can do is encourage broadening the discussion of a music that generally is considered "pop culture" and tagged as only-to-be-reviewed. If there is something substantial to be said about the album's expression, further than it is "good," "bad," or "well-made," - well, there are quality discussions to be had most everywhere.

re this page: nobody cares about your tiff; please take it somewhere else.

[Hat]

someone trying to collect every proto-punk glam rock album ever released, perhaps.

I am trying to wrap my head around this idea brought up earlier of an individual 'belonging' to an internet community and trying to figure out if it would be helped or hindered if you were this kind of person. Tragically difficult problem.

Guys can I just get really meta and say the only thing I don't like about this place is how when people come into this forum and act like a dick everyone goes "OH NO YOU CAN'T ACT LIKE A COCK ON THIS PART OF THE INTERNET GET OUT" instead of doing the right thing which is basically anything except that.

Also read the first part of this essay again and I am just so used to academic arts wank because its a perfectly cromulent piece of academic writing. It's just that he is writing about something with little cultural context like it has had the time to develop a fully fledged impact on a society, if it was even capable of such a thing (MY OPINION IS THAT IT IS NOT)

Writing academic papers on rock music is like trying to describe Faulker by throwing the horns.*

Which gives me a fucking excellent idea for something to draw on my new bookshelf

*I have not done this