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MrBridge:

--- Quote from: Cartilage Head on 09 Apr 2009, 10:53 --- Khar is completely right though. The Pixar films can unfortunately not stand up in the slightest to truly amazing feats of animation, although the one that might even come slightly closer to reaching them (while still falling short) is Wall-E. My favorite animated films are Mulan, Hunchback, Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle, and I can't think of any CGi movie that even comes close to those.

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Mulan? Seriously?  Rampant Asian stereotypes are your thing?  It was nearly unwatchable.

Sox:
Mulan was awesome. Likeable characters, nice dialogue, sense of humour, beautiful animation, great score. I don't think it's full of asian stereotypes as much as it is full of disney stereotypes who happen to be asian in this particular movie. The exact same characters show up in just about every disney movie with a new name and face. Make them into fish and set it under the sea, it's no longer an asian stereotype. If a movie is set in asia, it's gonna have some aspects of asian culture in there somewhere. While depicting Chinese people in China eating rice and wearing Chinese clothing could technically be considered stereotyping, I don't really think that things like this should be held against a movie. The movie would probably have been better if all the characters were wearing Levi 501s and eating hot dogs I guess, while talking in a wide variety of worldly accents.

Complaining about stereotypes in fiction is a lot like complaining about it being cloudy when it rains. Yes, it's a stereotype. It's a work of fiction. It's going to have some stereotype in there somewhere, whether it's one that offends you or not. The thing is that people desensitized to some stereotypes and not others. Either every stereotype offends you, or none do. Either way, nobody really has the right not to be offended ever, people these days seem to think they do. Something somewhere IS going to offend you. You and ONLY you. Nobody else will bat an eyelid. Some people might even enjoy it. When that time comes folks, just smile and nod.

Everybody has the right to be offended but nobody has the right not to be. Be offended and deal with it like a tolerant person.

Alex C:
Mulan was overall pretty alright. At first blush, I could understand why someone may be initially be a bit taken aback by the fact the movie combines an outsider's view of Asian culture with gender politics, but frankly, that kinda thing is unavoidable when you're making an adaptation of a several hundred year old traditional Chinese poem about a young woman stepping into a traditionally male role. At the end of the day, you have to work pretty hard to paint that film as truly regressive; the only real arguments I could see people making is that the Huns don't seem very nice and that it turns up its nose at arranged marriage, a practice that is still fairly common in southern Asia.

PapaFrita:
I'm not sure why we're talking about CGI like it's a genre. It's like saying you hate all movies made in color.

Disney's problem has always been that they're formula writers. The reason they haven't made any good animated movies lately is because their formula changed. Now, most of what Disney makes is bad live-action movies with tiny dogs/anthropomorphic animals and sarcastic kids, or terrible shows on the Disney channel with singing sarcastic kids.

I'd also like to say that Iron Giant is beautiful, and the way Brad Bird describes Vin Diesel's voice acting is strangely hilarious.

Sox:
Bolt was a fucking fantastic movie, it used all the old Disney formulas but was still computer animated.
BOLT!

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