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Melodic:
To me, pop is music that is also catchy. I almost said "designed to be catchy" but that is not particularly true sometimes!

Cadeonehalf:

--- Quote from: Jeans on 11 Apr 2009, 11:57 ---
--- Quote from: Cadeonehalf on 11 Apr 2009, 11:54 ---Yeah the real difference between pop and rock (or now, more likely pop and hip-hop) is that unlike rock and/or hip-hop the music wasn't assembled by music corporations

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Rock is also often assembled by corporations to sell. See: Nickelback, Creed.

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I don't consider Late Nickelback or Creed rock. They're Pop rock.
Early Nickelback (like first 3 albums) was for the most part unheard of. It wasn't until Silver Side Up made them all famous and such that they started writing pop songs instead of real Grungy tunes.
And Creed may have at one point not been pop, but they also give me the willies so I don't know much about their history. (Although based on how much Scott Stapp tries to sound like Eddie Vedder, I'd guess commecial success was a goal from the get-go).

Hinder was just my extreme example since their FIRST ALBUM was crappy post-grunge style pop with lyrics more banal than your average late 80's Cock Rock group.
/rant

jimbunny:
Pop is essentially what you want it to be.

Lhefriel_Medies:

--- Quote from: scarred on 11 Apr 2009, 10:07 ---When I think of pop (particularly indie pop), I just think of happy music. I mean, I know that shit like Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears label themselves pop, and I know it's short for "popular," but part of me just can't resist the feeling of carefree, fun, fast-paced music whenever I think of pop.

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This definition makes the most sense to me. Certainly, if you think of pop as its root in popular, it encompasses pretty much all music. I think that if you use that definition, you include even classical and those other genres given as exceptions. Pictures at an Exhibition was composed to be listened to. Mozart composed many of his pieces with the intent of entertaining the aristocracy. At some point, Jazz was composed just to be danced to. There are probably other examples, these are just off of the top of my head, but if you think about it, most music is made to sell well.

I think that it's more logical to just use the term pop for the musical style. Eg. what was determined to be popular at the time of the term's introduction. Which, from its use in the lexicon, I would assume to be the happy bubbly music that you would generally think of.

Besides the original reason, I think that the term encapsulates the original concept of making music with the direct intent of demographic and popular style as well. The use captures the spirit of the movement. Postmodernism isn't exactly currently transgressive, but the term is still commonly used for the its general association. I think that that's likely a part of it as well.

Cadeonehalf:
Nonsense! Jazz was always an art form! ALWAYS!

But that really is an excellent point. I can't really think of any truly happy music that isn't in some way classified as pop. (Except Rush, I can't think of a happy song per se, but they don't write depressing stuff)

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