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Cernunnos:
Ease of reproduction. A painting can be copied, but there is only one the raft of the medusa. it's a little different in printmaking (etching, traditional lithography) and photography in which there can be a significant number of perfecly legitimate copies. But even here, there is a degree of differing values there as well, as an earlier print of, say, one of rembrandt's fantastic etchings will probably be worth more than one from a later edition. traditional sculpture in bronze is a weird territory as the moldmaking part of the process means multiples can be made, but there is still usually an original. In the other forms of sculpture and installation art, there is only ever one. BUT: the lion's share of a given work's audience have only ever seen it in photographs, and there may be an analog there to a recording of a song being played.

billiumbean:
I think the distinguishing factor is that fact that music is a concept and a painting isn't.  Music is the result of things banging together and being strummed.  It's also a sound that can bring about a certain reaction.  None of that can ever be truly sold because it's all vibrations and nerve-endings.  You can sell recorded music, but you aren't selling the music itself, only the medium.  A painting is a thing.  Sure the art of painting itself is a concept, but the product isn't.

Cernunnos:
That's not universal, though. There are entire movements of art which rely on the premise of the idea or concept, being more important than its physical manifestation. For instance, Jackson pollock's paintings were not merely about how they looked, but about the persona of the male artist as an intuitive, intense and visible part of the work itself (one can look at the piece and know exactly how it was made). That's why the photographic images of him producing the work are so important. It's even more accentuated when you move out of the world of painting into conceptual art, installation art, and contemporary sculpture (see: Barry le Va, Mel Bochner, Bruce Nauman,etc.). Granted, there is still a physical form which carries the idea, but that's exactly what a record, tape or CD does, albeit in a stadardized form. But yeah, you are right, there certainly is a difference there too. Like you said, music is intangible, but a painting is, even if the idea it supports is not so physical.       Hmmmm- What level of tangibility do you guys think a digital file, say, an mp3 file, has?

Hat:
Sorry just read back and noticed this:


--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 21 Jun 2009, 08:11 ---If I'm buying an actual CD or vinyl or DVD or whatever, it's presumably because of the artwork and packaging is in some way desirable.

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Tommy is so punk he only buys music based on it's aesthetic appeal

You are a good man and your broader opinions are fucking solid, Tommy, but sometimes you just have the worst ways of expressing them.

Personally I think that the tangibility of the mp3 file is virtually non-existent, and therefore don't pay for them, since they are easily replicated from existing tangible mediums I already have.

However I just don't think that is a good standard by which to carry this argument. Intangible doesn't mean "not real" and  painted art is not any more "real" to me. I haven't ever wept at a painting but I've sure as hell had a record do it to me. Arguing about the tangibility of the format suggests a "superior" format (vinyl, mp3, etc) when really they're aimed at entirely different types of music listeners. This obsession with the physical form a piece of art takes, rather than the emotions it inspires in you seems counter-intuitive to what the whole point of art is to me, basically is what I am saying here.

Patrick:

--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 20 Jun 2009, 19:48 ---In the grand scheme of things, the idea of recorded music as a method of generating money is a brief and passing phase in the history of music. Soon it will be gone and rightly so. It's an insane concept.

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How about books? All you gotta do is type that shit up, bam, book on the internet.

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