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KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Mr. Doctor on 14 Jul 2009, 08:09 ---They are great though... But I do not enjoy the last two albums... They really need more inspiration because those ones suck really bad but everything before is great. Specially the debut.
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I haven't actually got round to the new MDB yet, but I personally thought A Line of Deathless Kings was something of a return to form. MDB's releases had been tailing off in quality for me since The Light at the End of the World, as they slowly lost the death metal elements and then the violin and piano, which I thought gave them a lot more texture as a band. I particularly liked 'The Blood, The Wine, The Roses' which I would pick as one of my top songs of 2006, and 'The Child of Eternity' off the Deeper Down EP. Unfortunately I think MDB will always suffer from my perspective from being unable to ever top Turn Loose the Swans, and everything that takes them further away from that sound is kind of a dissapointment for me. Also, I know plenty of people who will claim that MDB, Paradise Lost and Anathema are not 'real' doom bands and are scornful of people for liking them beyond maybe the obvious releases that are of most interest to doom fans. I've got to say that personally I find the work of both Paradise Lost and Anathema to get progressively less interesting as they went on and became drunk with their commercial success on the continent. I have similiar feelings about bands from related genres who have undergone a similiar pattern, such as Amorphis, Moonspell, Theatre of Tragedy etc., though I feel Amorphis have started to get back on track of late, and they were great when I saw them live a couple of years ago.
Also, I wasn't implying that Opeth ripped off Edge of Sanity, though Edge of Sanity released Unorthodox before Opeth even had a stable line-up and the influence is undeniable. I was simply saying that Edge of Sanity are better than Opeth. The main reason for this is song-writing. Opeths long track lengths more often than not seem to me to be symptomatic of an inability to write cohesive songs, and even a lot of my favourite Opeth songs could easily be reworked into two or more seperate tracks and be much improved for it. Apart from the obvious exceptions of Crimson and Crimson 2, Edge of Sanity displays none of this meandering, unfocused tendency. Both Swano and Dread Axellson can write some mean metal. I will agree that Opeth are a lot of fun live, but you must admit they do have a tendency to get lost up their own arse on occasion, not just musically (I think part of the unfocused songwriting is too much of a concentration on the song as concepts rather than, well, songs) but also lyrically, though they are hardly the worst offenders even in the melodeath field; and at least they seem fairly competent at english, unlike, say, old In Flames bizarre ramblings about 'squirrel wheels' and how 'conflict serum is my aura'.
Electric Wizard are doom of a very different beast. In my head, the whole stoner doom/sludge field of bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep, Ramesses, Bongzilla, Buried at Sea, Weedeater, Grief etc. is distinctly seperate from say, St. Vitus, Witchfinder General, Cathedral, Reverend Bizarre and Pentagram. Some sludge bands even resent being called metal at all.
Mr. Doctor:
--- Quote from: Be My Head on 14 Jul 2009, 11:23 ---In fact, usually a general rule of thumb for metal is "If the band started in the 80s, they're a good metal band".
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Naaah, I really don't care of the age and Metal has changed a lot and for the better if you ask me. Specially the extreme scene like Black, Doom and Grindcore.
Be My Head:
--- Quote from: Mr. Doctor on 14 Jul 2009, 11:25 ---
Naaah, I really don't care of the age and Metal has changed a lot and for the better if you ask me. Specially the extreme scene like Black, Doom and Grindcore.
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Well, there are tons of great newer bands. But, honestly, there was a much lower ratio of shit to awesome in the 80s metal scene.
Just listen to Celtic Frost*
* Does not include the album "Cold Lake"
Mr. Doctor:
--- Quote from: Be My Head on 14 Jul 2009, 11:29 ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Doctor on 14 Jul 2009, 11:25 ---
Naaah, I really don't care of the age and Metal has changed a lot and for the better if you ask me. Specially the extreme scene like Black, Doom and Grindcore.
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there was a much lower ratio of shit to awesome in the 80s metal scene.
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Ok... Now that's a good point I can't disagree. And btw.. Celtic Frost is awesome. A sad fact that they stopped because I really wanted another album in the vein of Monotheist. They were awesome with that doom metal touch
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 14 Jul 2009, 11:24 ---Also, I know plenty of people who will claim that MDB, Paradise Lost and Anathema are not 'real' doom bands and are scornful of people for liking them beyond maybe the obvious releases that are of most interest to doom fans. I've got to say that personally I find the work of both Paradise Lost and Anathema to get progressively less interesting as they went on and became drunk with their commercial success on the continent. I have similiar feelings about bands from related genres who have undergone a similiar pattern, such as Amorphis, Moonspell, Theatre of Tragedy etc., though I feel Amorphis have started to get back on track of late, and they were great when I saw them live a couple of years ago.
Electric Wizard are doom of a very different beast. In my head, the whole stoner doom/sludge field of bands like Electric Wizard, Sleep, Ramesses, Bongzilla, Buried at Sea, Weedeater, Grief etc. is distinctly seperate from say, St. Vitus, Witchfinder General, Cathedral, Reverend Bizarre and Pentagram. Some sludge bands even resent being called metal at all.
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Call me crazy but I fucking enjoy Assembly [one of the two techno albums Theatre of Tragedy did], it so sexy! Paradise Lost went downhill imo. But Anathema is still really good band imo.
And about Sludge... That has to do a lot with the fact that the genre itself has a lot to do with Hardcore. But is still an awesome genre. If you don't know them already, cheack out EYEHATEGOD and Acid Bath . Both amazing bands and some kind of pioneers of the genre.
KharBevNor:
I think it might be accurate to say that if a band started in the 80's and is still around today they are likely to be quite good, as they'll have had to have been at least somewhat competent to keep getting record deals (this condition may be waived in the case of black metal, where some labels will release 666 vinyl copies of fucking anything as long as it's got at least two K's and a V in the name and no ones ever heard of it). Bands that are derivative or don't have much creative potential rarely last beyond two or three albums, though that said, there have been some awesome flash in the pan metal bands that only put out one or two releases and then faded away or split up for whatever reason. Acid Bath, Sabbat and Waylander are three examples that instantly spring to mind, all dissapearing for different reasons (tragic ones in the case of Acid Bath, stupid ones in the case of Sabbat). Apparently Waylander still play live quite a bit in Ireland, but the second album was lackluster compared to the first. However, I just checked Waylanders wikipedia page to see when The Light, The Dark and the Endless Not was released and lo and behold they put out a new album last year without me realising. To the torrents!
Yeah, I'm a big Acid Bath fan, and listen to Eyehategod now and again. Two of my favourite sludge bands are old local Isle of Wight acts Syrafex and Overlord. Both are now pretty much defunct unfortunately, but I went to their shows literally every week for a while when they were most active, and I was pretty good friends with most of them (they shared a lot of members). Syrafex's website is still up but the download link appears to be broken unfortunately. You may still be able to buy their stuff or get it off the compilations they were on, dunno if any of it would be up on torrent. I'd whack it on mediafire if I was at my main computer. Overlords second EP is worth tracking down anyway for the last track 'Super Rocking Secret Song', which is a hilarious sludge cover of Girls Aloud's 'Sound of the Underground'.
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