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Who would win in a fight.
Surgoshan:
Clearly Augustus. I mean, Julius won all sorts of wars and then was knifed to death by a bunch of goddamn senators. I mean, that's like being mugged by queens. Augustus at least had the dignity to become emperor and then win a bunch of wars and die of illness.
Thomas Edison:
Al Capone versus Charles Manson
David_Dovey:
In a fair fight, Capone by a mile.
On the Roosevelt vs. Jackson thing, are y'all crazy? And more importantly, did you know this?
--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---While Roosevelt was campaigning in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on October 14, 1912, a saloonkeeper named John Schrank shot him, but the bullet lodged in his chest only after penetrating both his steel eyeglass case and passing through a thick (50 pages) single-folded copy of the speech he was carrying in his jacket.[79] Roosevelt, as an experienced hunter and anatomist, correctly concluded that since he wasn't coughing blood the bullet had not completely penetrated the chest wall to his lung, and so declined suggestions he go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech with blood seeping into his shirt.[80] He spoke for ninety minutes. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, "Ladies and gentlemen, I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose."[81] Afterwards, probes and X-ray showed that the bullet had traversed three inches (76 mm) of tissue and lodged in Roosevelt's chest muscle but did not penetrate the pleura, and it would be more dangerous to attempt to remove the bullet than to leave it in place. Roosevelt carried it with him for the rest of his life.[82]
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Thomas Edison:
--- Quote from: Jeans on 01 Jul 2009, 04:31 ---With or without families?
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Without, but both get to pick their opponent's weapon.
Alex C:
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 01 Jul 2009, 04:37 ---On the Roosevelt vs. Jackson thing, are y'all crazy? And more importantly, did you know this?
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Yes, I did. The problem is that the story is matched by things like this:
--- Quote from: Wikipedia --- Charles Dickinson, the only man Jackson ever killed in a duel, had been goaded into angering Jackson by Jackson's political opponents. In the duel, fought over a horse-racing debt and an insult to his wife on May 30, 1806, Dickinson shot Jackson in the ribs before Jackson returned the fatal shot; Jackson actually allowed Dickinson to shoot first, knowing him to be an excellent shot, and as his opponent reloaded, Jackson shot, even as the bullet lodged itself in his chest. The bullet that struck Jackson was so close to his heart that it could never be safely removed. Jackson had been wounded so frequently in duels that it was said he "rattled like a bag of marbles."[46]
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Apparently Jackson's gun even misfired so he had to prepare another shot before calmly and methodically shooting the guy, an act which caused many people to consider the duel to be tantamount to an outright murder.
Trust me, I have no disrespect for Roosevelt and I consider him to be the only other acceptable answer to the "Who's the toughest US President?" question. Jackson and Roosevelt are in a class of their own; they both were stupidly brave, with Jackson leading his troops to victory in the Battle of New Orleans and Roosevelt was nominated for and posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor. It really depends on whether you give people the edge for being generally reasonable but tough as nails (Roosevelt) or for being tough as nails and a bona fide cold-blooded crazy person (Jackson).
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