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Is My Music Pretentious?
Hat:
Are you trying to say that you need to drink alcohol to have a good time dude because that is not cool
also note how practically everything in the world worth doing is hyponymous with "doing whatever the fuck you feel like" so don't feel restricted or anything by my judgement of you.
Johnny C:
well "i'm sorry that your idea of unwinding from the stress and minutia of everyday life is to do whatever the fuck you feel like and enjoy yourself instead of doing whatever the fuck you feel like and enjoying yourself" isn't particularly coherent so you'll have to excuse me for failing to remix your sentence that way.
to address your concern from further up this page, i'm being sarcastic and glib because this whole conversation is super dumb and everyone, myself included, is creating these false dichotomies with like no room for any leeway and it's completely ridiculous. normally "please be polite" is my motto but mostly i just don't have the energy to do it in this thread. sorry!
also i had a super fun pair of weekends and now i'm mostly just unwinding and detoxing so actually life is quite pleasant but i appreciate the concern.
Hat:
dude you are arguing with an idiot here I don't know what a false dichotomy is maybe use a dumbed down version when talking to me like "bullshit distinctions" or something
MadassAlex:
--- Quote from: supersheep on 11 Aug 2009, 11:30 ---ok now i'm confused. subjectivity is the only thing that's relevant in a debate of this nature. it's personal preference, more or less.
--- End quote ---
Music taste is personal preference. But the elements of music that make it what it is can be objectively defined and described.
But I suppose what I was really saying was "jeez khar i think you're kind of being an asshole by refusing to return the respect i've shown you by trying to post coherent arguments on a constant basis instead of restating your opinion".
I mean, music theory is a set of designations. That is A Fact. If all musical sound was shifted up or down a certain distance, the relationships between notes would not alter. This is also A Fact. Music theory does not have to be a limiting factor when it comes to composition and improvisation. Another Fact, since a musician is free to ignore theory if they choose to do so. If they are limited by theory, then they are probably not creative in the first place, as they allow themselves to be restricted by designations.
Basically what I am saying with my argument is "I think music theory is a good thing and here are some facts about music theory that support my claim".
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: MadassAlex on 11 Aug 2009, 13:39 ---a musician is free to ignore theory if they choose to do so. If they are limited by theory, then they are probably not creative in the first place
--- End quote ---
After all, they can produce a new theory to suit their inclinations if the old one no longer fits. Oh yes, so they did! - both Schoenberg and Hindemith designed new theories to suit the music they wanted to write (and wrote books on them), as did Bartók (who didn't). And probably lots of people I know less about. As far as I can see, though, Stockhausen took Khar's view (but also went pretty much barking mad - this may be unrelated).
Allowing yourself to be limited by nineteenth-century music theory (I used to have a copy of Ebenezer Prout's 12-volume work on it, which I now see goes for $50 a volume - bother!) is about as admirable as arguing about nineteenth-century grammarian's rules like the split infinitive or dangling preposition.
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