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Tom:

--- Quote from: Jeans on 26 Jul 2009, 10:47 ---If anyone thinks punk music, creativity and technical skill do not merge, they should probably listen to that album and realize just how horrible wrong they were.

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It's a shame that there are people working under that umbrella who haven't taken notice of this. I also might add, for any band recording practices really make a difference. For example, lo-fi recording practices may give a down-to-earth feel free from corporate influence but it tends to, more often than not, poorly disguise the simple fact that the musicians aren't yet competent in several aspects.

PS: All the bands that Jens mentioned, listen to them.
PPS: Jens, have you heard the two bonus tracks from Shots, "Crows Commute" and "Different Beginnings"?

MadassAlex:
I guess people think punk music and technical skill don't mix because of some assholes in the 70s who thought that subverting the technical skill and experimental tendencies of bands at the time would be a pretty cool thing to do.

I mean, there's a difference between saying "Rock 'n' roll doesn't have to be technical" and "Rock 'n' roll shouldn't be technical ever" and I keep feeling that the original wave of punk was aiming for the latter.

I dunno guys, maybe being really good at your instrument is a totally positive thing?

Punk, for a movement that claimed to be no bullshit, sure did a lot of bullshitting around.

David_Dovey:
I think you've kind of missed the point there Alex.

The original punk bands weren't secretly totally competent musicians who dumbed themselves down as a reaction against progressive rock, it was more that they were people who had perhaps only basic skill at their instruments who felt that this shouldn't be an obstacle to making writing music and playing shows. It was a reaction to an elitist standard that you had to be *this* skilled to be a musician, which is patently bullshit.

It was also a reaction to what they saw as music that had become so preoccupied with technical skill that it had disappeared up it's own asshole at the expense of writing good songs and actually having something genuine to say about the world. As someone who enjoys quite a bit of the music of that era (Pink Floyd, Gabriel-era Genesis, etc.) I can't say I entirely agree, but that is the argument nonetheless.

Sure, there are some bands who wore their lack of skill as a badge, but there were many others (typically the ones who ended up having longer, more interesting careers in my opinion) that were not opposed to musical competency, per sé, but just the idea that music was a pissing contest about who could play more notes, faster, in the weirdest mode and time sig possible.

As time wore on many bands of the first wave of punk began to get quite good at playing their instruments, simply as a natural result of playing music all of the time. This didn't meant that all of a sudden they weren't punk any more, because it's entirely simplistic and close-minded to characterise punk as at any time to be just about musical simplicity. It of course didn't hurt that music which was very simple provided the best mode of delivery for the lyrics.

michaelicious:

--- Quote from: Sam on 26 Jul 2009, 13:51 ---other people listen to the warmers? i only know about them because of one friend. they rule!

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I am kind of surprised at how few people listen to them. It is a bit of a shame in my opinion.

David_Dovey:
I think they've picked up a bit of popularity more recently through Amy being in The Evens and formerly in Ted Leo/Rx

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