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knives:

--- Quote from: Lise on 02 Aug 2009, 13:47 ---PS: I thought this argument was interesting: "The new hipster trend is to hate indie hipster movies with folk music and quirky characters. Therefore, if you hate movies simply for the presence of these elements (and not as the singular entities they are), then you are yourself a hipster. You need to refine your hating skills."

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God, there must be a lot of hipsters out there then. Can't really talk about Away We Go because the trailer made it look like Searchlight crap and it really isn't my flavor.
As far as the bulk of your argument goes, that is a horrible thing, the marriage bit, and gave me the closest to an emotional reaction of the movie. (shitty sentence structure, but I hope you get the gist) But it merly cemented e not liking the character. I don't think it was emotionally or intellectually brutal in any sense. The LA dinner scene in Annie Hall, sorry for coming back to this, is a more brutal, if still not brutal, go about for the same thing. Just for clarifaction I want to point out I do believe there is honesty for the movie and not a real point of contention for me about it. My problems with the film is bad comedic timing (the closest I came to laughing was six chuckles), a tired and now generic twee hipster format that has never been interesting or good, and no real introspection on JGL (In many respects the Summer character is fuller because we get the good and the bad of her, outside that wonderful date scene JGL isn't given that same three dimensionality), and the film simply reminded me of films that I find better and more enjoyable.

Cartilage Head:
I'm kind of tired of this faux-indie bullshit.

Lise:
Wtf is "faux-indie?" Please explain, because I've heard this tossed around a lot, and it is senseless.

Indie films are supposed to denote independent films that are produced outside of a major studio. As far as I'm concerned, a film's production determines whether or not it's "indie," not its content.

500 Days was produced by Watermark and distributed by Fox Searchlight Pictures, two independent companies, with a mere $7.5 million budget therefore... it is an "iindependent movie." You really can't argue with that.

Unless I mistook your meaning of "faux-indie bullshit," in which, disregard my post.

Lise:

--- Quote from: knives on 02 Aug 2009, 20:04 ---the film simply reminded me of films that I find better and more enjoyable.

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Touche, Knives, touche. It all boils down to personal taste. Annie Hall did win Best Picture for a reason.

Cartilage Head:
I would not consider something from Fox Searchlight independent, being a division of Fox. I was only referring to its production, not its content. "Faux-indie" applies to things that are made to seem indie, that include maybe over-saturated visuals, lots of dialogue, a "hip" soundtrack, and people talking about bands and stuff when in reality this is a marketing ploy by a larger company based on what "indie" can currently mean.

 Examples: Superbad, Juno, Adventureland, Nick and Nora, Zack and Miri, Pineapple Express, etc.

 7.5 Million is a lot for an "independent" film, which I can say this really is not. I consider an independent film self-written, directed, and produced, possibly sold to a larger company after it is completed. This was given the greenlight by Fox, and obviously not made independently.

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