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Joseph:
I think the issue here is that you (knives) thought Darryl had made some absolute statements about, but if you read what he said, you'll notice he was very careful to avoid doing so.

knives:

--- Quote from: Joseph on 19 Oct 2009, 10:51 ---I think the issue here is that you (knives) thought Darryl had made some absolute statements about, but if you read what he said, you'll notice he was very careful to avoid doing so.

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I wish this were true and the last sentence here goes a long way towards that.
--- Quote from: Sox on 19 Oct 2009, 10:35 ---No it doesn't.
The LotR movies were made with a great deal of respect for the subject matter. Just about everybody who worked on that movie loved the book. The people who worked on it are mostly self confessed beardies. Peter Jackson readily admits that he is a huge nerd. The movie was put together by fans. For fans.

Fans of LotR are nerds.
Nobody ever said that every nerd has to like Peter Jackson's movies.

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But to say as he does, A. only nerds can appreciate those movies is roughly equivalent to the switch off your brain excuse, and B. he was making statements early that said that any flaws pointed out to the movie, at least the ones he heard, weren't really flaws. Part of my original post was to provide proof that, at least on an artistic and filmic narrative level, that there are flaws in the Jackson movies.

Joseph:
"Almost every criticism I see about those films is from a casual movie goer, but the Lord of the Rings movies are not for casual movie goers."

"Yeah, there are flaws. But most of those flaws I hear about are merits if you're a huge nerd and a part of the target audience."

Also, he never said that only nerds can appreciate the movies, merely that nerds are the target audience.

Sox:
At no point did anybody say "only nerds can appreciate those movies." I have no idea where you're getting these arguments from because nobody here has made them.
I didn't say the movies were flawless. I said a lot of criticisms that I've heard are to do with the length of the movies and nerdy shit, like hobbits. The stuff that's either fan-service or essential to the plot, the things that are faithful. You don't get to complain about fan-service if you're not a fan. You don't get to say the movie sucks if your only problem with it is that 'elves are gay'. Y'know, arguments you see from casual movie-goers. The 'criticisms' that I dismiss.

Other criticisms are all fair and I never said they weren't. You seem to be arguing like I said "Peter Jackson likes wizards and dragons so it's impossible for these movies to suck from an objective standpoint. Only nerds can like these movies and every nerd does, nobody else is allowed to comment and I'm right forever." If I had said this, then people would be agreeing with you and telling me that I'm an ass.
You know you're incredibly wrong when people step in to support something I have said.

knives:
While I haven't heard any criticisms toward the containment of Hobbits, and I can sympathize with some complaints concerning length, that last post makes more sense, and I apologize for my own jackassery.

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