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usmcnavgeek:
--- Quote from: Muppet King on 01 Jan 2010, 08:50 ---I'm not going to buy a supplemental book for a movie that I didn't really like much.
That would still cause the humans to suffocate and cause the brain to die. Ten minutes without oxygen and there is basically no saving the brain; after a few minutes there is certain to be brain damage. Basically, if the humans can't breathe the air on the planet, there isn't enough oxygen to allow the brain to function.
It also still doesn't explain why the Colonel didn't end up a big charred mass when entering an oxygen-rich environment while on fire. To give you an idea of what it would do, a patient receiving oxygen can severely burn him or herself just by smoking a cigarette; now imagine what a larger open flame would do when immersing oneself in pure oxygen.
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Firstly, he was only in the native environment's atmosphere for, like, two minutes (tops, I didn't hack a stopwatch) during the final battle, so I don't know what you're angry about there. It's enough to go unconscious but not die; you don't get brain damage from oxygen deprivation until 4 or so minutes, which happens to be the line spouted in the movie earlier.
Secondly, what are you saying about oxygen-rich environments? Are you saying that when the Colonel came back into the big helicopter-ship with his shoulder on fire at the end of the movie, he should have exploded? We learned back in 1967 with Apollo 1 what happens when you pressurize with pure oxygen; I'm pretty sure they're running an equivalent of room air in all their ships. Since all you'd have to do is filter out the CO2 and HS gases from the ambient atmosphere, that'd be easier from a technology perspective too.
What I really think here is that if you're spending your time trying to nitpick science-y reasons why you don't like the movie, and then aren't interested at all in any perfectly plausible reasonings behind them (I can understand not wanting to buy the book, but nevertheless...), you just need to take a deep breath, relax, and examine just why you're so angry about this film.
Unless you're not angry and you just sound angry, in which case, oops. Either way.
Muppet King:
I'm not angry about the movie. I just didn't like it much. It's not because of things like that either; I just didn't care for it much beyond the planet design.
You're the one that proclaimed Cameron to be so detail oriented, and he is to an extent, but he's not perfect.
The line says you die in four minutes, not you enter oxygen deprivation. The oxygen deprivation is what knocks you out.
There is no point in arguing on the internet so just go on with your conversations; I'm backing out.
Chesire Cat:
I dont recall it being explicitly stated that it was an oxygen poor environment. Since it wasnt explicitly said, lets assume James Cameron is aware of the ramifications of oxygen deprivation and that it was a toxic atmosphere that can kill.
And Im assuming the "oxygen rich" environment was the power walker or whatever? I just cant agree that futuretech would pump dangerous levels of oxygen into anything, it would be a pretty standard atmosphere in there.
What 'science-y' thing that got my goat was when he jumped out of the ship in a powered walker. I couldnt imagine that not crumpling under its own weight.
Nodaisho:
I could, sure the armor probably weighs quite a bit (although they still have the standard bulletproof glass flaw of being designed to stop light fast things, which makes it problematic when your enemies are launching big heavy objects), but if you engineer it properly and use the right materials, it should work just fine, even after dropping (did they state relative gravity to earth in the book or the movie?) that far. It is tempting to compare it to a car, but since these are military designs, it would be more like car with everything inside the roll cage, rather than just the driver, and roll cages will survive a hell of a lot. The legs bent to absorb shock, reducing the amount of force being exerted on the armor at any given instant in time.
Ozymandias:
Cnl. Generikill mentioned which lifting weight something about lower gravity, but you sure wouldn't know it from watching the movie.
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