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Alex C:
I kind of wonder what people will think of it as visual standards change. For example, I remember people being all "Holy shit!" over Jurassic Park back in '93, but now nobody really gives a crap, since it was really just a full-on crowd pleasing spectacle movie. I could see Avatar going down the same path.
And Kieffer, you'll never believe this, but I actually am capable of enjoying myself without declaring every movie I see to be the greatest thing ever.
Professor Snuggles:
--- Quote from: knives on 03 Jan 2010, 00:11 ---
--- Quote from: Professor Snuggles on 02 Jan 2010, 23:14 ---Just saw this a second time. Guys this movie is so good.
If you don't like this but you liked Star Trek, you're lying to yourself.
If you don't like this but you liked District 9, you're pretentious.
If you don't like this but you liked Star Wars, you're just an idiot.
This movie is so fucking good, the only complaint I have is I have to get all my viewing in while it's in theaters, because I can't imagine watching it not in 3D.
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Haven't seen the new Star Trek so can't comment. You seem to be misusing pretentious there. I'm not sure where your use of idiot for Star Wars is for, but if your complaint to the fans is Star Wars usage of as many cliches, ect. than there is a world of difference. With Star Wars the big difference is that the intent of Star Wars, at least for the original trilogy, was to examine old space operas and serials. Crank up the cliches and give the ultimate byronic experience. In a way it is an examination on old school basic storytelling. Avatar on the other hand has heftier goals in trying to comment on the treatment of Native Americans and the present war in Iraq, amongst other things. Because of that goal the use of cliches must be very careful or else you'll just end up being an other Crash, the Haggis one not the great Cronenberg one. sadly Avatar does use those cliches in a way that while not as bad as Crash still causes a reductive moral landscape.
Personally I feel that Avatar is enjoyable and adequate, but I fully understand the stance against it considering what I outlined. Your comparisons, at least for the two I've seen just don't work.
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You are the most joyless of the fucks.
First, fuck you for telling me my use of pretentious is incorrect. I am saying that you are putting on a fucking pretense if you liked the lower budget "smarter" movie about mistreating aliens as an allegory for mistreating natives and not fucking avatar.
But you are an ESPECIALLY joyless fuck if you think the point of Star Wars, or the point of Avatar, was to make you think. The point was to make awesome, simple, compelling stories with straight forward cut and dry characterization that makes you go oooh and ahhh and maybe holy shit once or twice. You're comparing Avatar to fucking crash? Are you fucking retarded? There is no similarity, at all, between these two movies. I get that you think you are a student of film all "look at me, I can namecheck fucking cronenberg for no reason in my post" but fuck you you joyless fuck. These movies are supposed to be fun and engaging.
Professor Snuggles:
--- Quote from: scarred on 03 Jan 2010, 00:15 ---I liked all three of the movies he mentions, and I didn't like Avatar. I really tried, you know. But when a movie as visually stunning as Avatar causes me to nearly fall asleep halfway through, it's less endearing and more "I'm so glad someone else paid for me right now."
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You are the second most joyless fuck. This is fucking stupid. I bet you went stoned or some shit, and blame your own sins on the movie, since you can't admit you were tired. There is no fucking possible way you could have come close to falling asleep during that movie. It's got a perfect pacing, if anything it could have been longer so we could have had more time for the troops to rally and shit at the end. The movie is at its best when shit isn't really blowing up that bad. If you didn't love the flying scene there is something wrong with you. Fuck.
Alex C:
Yeah, I can't buy into the idea that Star Wars was really an examination of anything. Now, I'm sure the filmmakers were aware of precedents and archetypes, but knowing that doesn't mean you're automatically doing anything fancy. I know plenty about the Beatles and Mozart, but at the end of the day, I'm still a fucking hack when it comes to writing music.
Professor Snuggles:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 03 Jan 2010, 00:15 ---
--- Quote from: Professor Snuggles on 03 Jan 2010, 00:02 ---So you love melodramatic cliche space opera and you didn't like this, which is epic melodramatic cliche fantastical sci-fi?
Fuck you.
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Here's the difference: That scene lasted about 11 minutes. It left me actively amazed that I enjoyed a scene like that because those kind of scenes almost never work for me, but then the rest of the movie left me sort of luke warm. Avatar didn't have any given moment half so entertaining in it AND it took several hours. Gah.
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This is actually pretty valid, although not liking the new trek doesn't make any damn sense either, unless you're one of those joyless continuity junkie fucks who thinks they fucked up Kirk and made him all swagger no substance.
--- Quote from: Alex C on 03 Jan 2010, 00:28 ---I kind of wonder what people will think of it as visual standards change. For example, I remember people being all "Holy shit!" over Jurassic Park back in '93, but now nobody really gives a crap, since it was really just a full-on crowd pleasing spectacle movie. I could see Avatar going down the same path.
And Kieffer, you'll never believe this, but I actually am capable of enjoying myself without declaring every movie I see to be the greatest thing ever.
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Are you kidding? Jurassic Park is still amazing. We watched it like 3 weeks ago and everyone had a great time, the effects still look amazing, the story is great, the acting is great, the jokes are great. It's a phenomenal spectacle.
Yo Alex we are actually cool though. I just wish you weren't damning this movie with such faint praise. It was way better than meh, and I can dig if you don't think it's the GOAT, but cmon that was some pretty perfect sci-fi/fantasy storytelling.
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