Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: September 14-18, 2009
IanClark:
--- Quote from: Random832 on 16 Sep 2009, 06:24 ---So... as far as I know, that's all stuff you made up just now, rather than actual reasoning we've seen written down from the Marigold/Hanners people.
Just sayin'. Nice wall of text, though.
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Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two. But this isn't so much because they don't like each other or because there's some sort of external obstacle preventing them from being together, it's the fact that they're both very definitively into guys. Now one might argue that the shippers are merely acknowledging but overlooking this fact for some wishful thinking, and they probably are, but to say the idea itself sprung out of nowhere, or to say that it was just too cute not to think of, is ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it. And I seem to recall there were dozens of people who thought she was a lesbian without any genuine indication. So unless you're going to tell me that that manufactured ambiguity had nothing to do with the number of people who suddenly thought "Hey, I know, Marigold and Hanners!" you're not really making a point.
And just to clarify in case anyone else, shipper or not, feels the need to defend the shippers against me, don't bother because you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I do not, repeat do not, have a problem with the shippers, but rather in the formation of the idea before any actual shipping was suggested.
Wiregeek:
Good comic! My favorite part was Marigold's expressions in panels five and six, and Hanners' in panel six.
God Bless the Clueless!
danman:
--- Quote from: nichidani on 16 Sep 2009, 05:24 ---yeesh, tell me about it. besides, don't you know the classic 90s movie formula?
nerdy girl - glasses = hot girl
... though i am still not POKING MYSELF IN THE EYE for fashion purposes, and i also really like my glasses.
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Hmm, it need not to be for fashion purposes - contacts are useful for sport (which i do not do) and they do not interffere with putting on welder's goggles (which i do , occasionally )
ecstaticjoy:
Yes! Today's comic cracked me up! I loved the facial expressions, especially panel 6. Jeph, you get better every time you draw. Thanks!
Random832:
--- Quote from: IanClark on 16 Sep 2009, 08:02 ---Do I really have to go through this again? Okay... imagine a universe where no one was putting Marigold/Hanners together but everything else on this forum that's been said had still been said, I'd still have the same feelings for the same reasons. Or, to almost verbatim state what I already said, it is not the fact that people put Marigold and Hanners together, it is the fact that both characters' sexualities were questioned (by people who were largely not shippers) to an extent that I've never seen before with any other characters. Like Jeph himself just said, there was no hint of a romance between the two.
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Yeah, well, that's not how it happened at all. What happened was this, which prompted not-100%-baseless (sure, it didn't go anywhere, but it's also how it could have started if he had meant for such a thing to happen) Hanners/Tai speculation, which was transferred to this.
And anyway, what do you mean "both characters' sexualities were questioned" - it's kind of a homophobic attitude to say that someone not (originally - obviously they are by now) established either way is to be automatically presumed straight and anyone who doesn't share that assumption is "questioning it".
Nobody ever gets denounced as creepy for thinking a character might be straight.
--- Quote ---ignoring the fact that there were massive debates on Marigold's sexuality when her obsession with man-on-man should've settled it
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Why should that have settled it?
--- Quote from: Kakareen on 15 Sep 2009, 18:01 ---I started shipping when they started reading and watching yaoi together, since I know of three lesbian couples that started out that way.
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There were people even at the time citing that, and not your made-up thing about her hygiene, as evidence for Marigold being a lesbian.
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