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The Seldom Killer:
--- Quote from: mustang6172 on 10 Sep 2014, 19:05 ---To go further, I think employers should have an obligation to rehire felons after they're released from prison.
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I think this wold be very difficult. For any custodial sentance longer than a month it would be reasonable to expect an employer to have filled that position. Even with signing and transfer windows in sports, expecting a team to hold a position open for a long period of time isn't reasonable. I can't imagine any company or team that wouldn't fill that position or place on the roster as soon as they are able to. Expecting them to then rehire the offender is basically punishing the company for the crimes of the employee.
I'll propose this parallel scenario for you. Imagine that both a teacher and a sportsperson are convicted of child molestation crimes. Even after imprisonment and rehabilitative programmes we know that they will pose a high risk to children in the future. Both professions would put them in the position of access to children, particularly ones that are vulnerable to exploitation. Would you really expect the school or the sports team to rehire these people on release from prison and, if so, why?
jwhouk:
The NFL's mindset right now isn't "oh, we don't want him to be in contact with children." It's "This will TARNISH the IMAGE of the SHIELD!"
I'd almost go as far as to say that may have been the REAL reason why Michael Sam is sitting on the Dallas Cowboys' practice squad. The League wants to "appear" concerned about problems, but not actually have to DO anything about them.
mustang6172:
--- Quote from: Patrick on 12 Sep 2014, 02:35 ---I assume we're talking about Ray Rice. I'll relay a personal anecdote. A fellow coworker of mine is on the chopping block because of an incident where he represented the company name while attempting to start a fight at the bar I moonlight at. Rice is constantly a representative of the NFL, and committed a pretty high profile crime. I fail to see a distinction between the two. My coworker is small time, Rice is nationally televised every time he takes the field. Where is the line?
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I need more information: in what capacity was he representing the company?
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 12 Sep 2014, 03:22 ---
--- Quote from: mustang6172 on 10 Sep 2014, 19:05 ---To go further, I think employers should have an obligation to rehire felons after they're released from prison.
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I'll propose this parallel scenario for you. Imagine that both a teacher and a sportsperson are convicted of child molestation crimes. Even after imprisonment and rehabilitative programmes we know that they will pose a high risk to children in the future. Both professions would put them in the position of access to children, particularly ones that are vulnerable to exploitation. Would you really expect the school or the sports team to rehire these people on release from prison and, if so, why?
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This is a false analogy. A teacher's job depends on them being able to not molest children, an athlete wouldn't run slower for lacking this skill.
mustang6172:
--- Quote from: Twitter ---Women who are wearing Ray Rice's jersey deserve to be punched in the face. Repeatedly.
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Did you feel that? The Internet just hit a new level of stupid.
Patrick:
--- Quote from: mustang6172 on 12 Sep 2014, 19:01 ---
--- Quote from: Patrick on 12 Sep 2014, 02:35 ---I assume we're talking about Ray Rice. I'll relay a personal anecdote. A fellow coworker of mine is on the chopping block because of an incident where he represented the company name while attempting to start a fight at the bar I moonlight at. Rice is constantly a representative of the NFL, and committed a pretty high profile crime. I fail to see a distinction between the two. My coworker is small time, Rice is nationally televised every time he takes the field. Where is the line?
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I need more information: in what capacity was he representing the company?
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Literally shouting that we work for (insert company name here) and saying that that gives us the expertise to tell the bartender/owner he's doing a shitty job of running the place.
Ray Rice shouts that he works for the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL every time he dons the jersey, which shows both of their logos on it, and one of the things about working in professional sports is that you don't stop representing those organizations just because you're off the field. Your face, name, number, and affiliations are going to be noticed by sports fans wherever you go in public.
Also, tapatalk is a pain in the ass and I can't figure out how to quote another post, but I'll refer to the one that said the NFL isn't looking out for public interests, but its own interest in saving face instead. What's so wrong about that? People are going to vote with their wallets, and if staying the course means public outcry and the threat of losing revenue, the necessary changes will happen anyway. Nobody ever accused capitalism of being particularly moral, and that's especially true of the NFL. And I'm not gonna say I agree with the NFL's tacit compliance with assault on the part of their players. But the public is finally beginning to make it clear that this isn't acceptable, and if anything it gives me faith that American society isn't completely fucked. Now, if only politics worked so fluidly...
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