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0bsessions:
They're comparable, but in different ways. SWM is right in that a bad musician can still be enjoyable, but a good musician will often get more appreciation, even if they're not aesthetically pleasing. For example, Rush is known for being technically good and I respect them for it, but god damn do I hate listening to their music.
KharBevNor:
See I know for a fact there are hundreds of technically excellent musicians who produce work that is, at best, dull. I don't think someone deserves respect for spending five hours a day for ten years playing the guitar if they can't produce something interesting at the end of it all.
Scandanavian War Machine:
true.
but still, "interesting" is a relative term and will be different for everyone. that's what makes this a difficult thing to talk about.
Bastardous Bassist:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 02 Oct 2009, 13:52 ---They're comparable, but in different ways. SWM is right in that a bad musician can still be enjoyable, but a good musician will often get more appreciation, even if they're not aesthetically pleasing. For example, Rush is known for being technically good and I respect them for it, but god damn do I hate listening to their music.
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I have found bad musicians enjoyable, but never consistently so. They can produce one or two songs that I like, but for the most part, bad musicians produce bad music. Now, I'm not talking about technicians. I will liken this to American football to maybe enhance the discussion about what makes sports interesting.
First, since I am talking to non-sports people, I will describe the function of the position known as "wide receiver." He runs down the field, catches a football that is (he hopes) thrown to him and tries to run forward after catching the football. This requires speed (to hopefully outrun the guy who's trying to stop you from catching the football), precision (because you have to be where the guy throwing the football thinks you're going to be), good catching skills (so that you can come down with the football even if you get hit by someone) and good agility (because if you miraculously find yourself still on your feet after you catch the ball, you can try to get even further downfield by avoiding people trying to stop you). A good wide receiver isn't necessarily the best at any of these, but he has to have all of them to some degree. The same with a musician.
A good musician doesn't have to be crazy fast on his/her instrument, but needs to have the ability to play what the music demands. A good musician needs to be precise. That is, a good musician needs to be able to play what he/she wants when he/she wants. A good musician must have musicality. Nothing that he/she does will be good unless it helps the piece of music that he/she is playing. You don't necessarily have to be the best in any of these areas, but you must have all of them to some degree to be a good musician. The appreciation comes from watching someone who has the ability to consistently produce good music, as with an athlete who can consistently produce a good game. Also, as with music, it doesn't matter how good one individual is if the whole group doesn't execute well.
Live music is exciting as with sports because there is always the possibility that one will mess up, and to see the performer (athlete or musician) perform when it wasn't guaranteed that it would happen is exciting. Also, with sports there are harsher consequences of screwing up than with music, so it's more exciting when the screw-up does/doesn't happen.
KickThatBathProf:
I think the main draw of an athelete/musician screwing up is not only the "screw-up" but also the way the athlete/musician recovers. A good musician and likewise a good athelete will have the ability to shut out or laugh off a mistake (I believe football people call it "compartmentalizing"). A bad or maybe inexperienced one will let one simple mistake influence the rest of his or her performance.
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