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David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Hat on 01 Oct 2009, 23:58 ---but by putting the Blueprint in the top ten of this list and having it be the only hip-hop album they by extension declare it the best hip-hop album of the decade by a pretty impressive margin, which I am disagreeing with. That is my opinion! What is your problem with that?
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I don't remember disagreeing with you on your objections to The Blueprint's place in the muscial canon nor it's status as a "token" pick on that list. My problem is with your contention that you have to know a lot about hip-hop to judge if a hip-hop album is any good.
EDIT: ...in relation to all music in all genres made this decade.
Johnny C:
whoa heavy words, also illmatic is nas' crowning achievement in several respects and what he's been spending his entire career trying to recapture so i think considering that jay-z is currently on his third attempt at making the blueprint it's apt in more ways than one
my argument is not that it is merely iconic, it's that it's iconic and exemplary and i don't want to write a huge dissertation on the blueprint cause dozens of other dudes have already done it for me
we can step to my rap game, though. if that is truly what you desire
Hat:
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 02 Oct 2009, 00:23 ---I don't remember disagreeing with you on your objections to The Blueprint's place in the muscial canon nor it's status as a "token" pick on that list. My problem is with your contention that you have to know a lot about hip-hop to judge if a hip-hop album is any good.
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I don't remember making that contention in the first place and if you think I did it is because you have misinterpreted what I am saying.
--- Quote from: AanAllein on 02 Oct 2009, 00:17 ---the blueprint isn't his best album of the decade? i mean, black album is fine and all, but really?
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Black Album is an appalling piece of shit and his first in a series of albums riding the coat-tails of Blueprint. No I'm talking about American Gangster which I personally think is a more engaging album as a whole.
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 02 Oct 2009, 00:23 ---whoa heavy words, also illmatic is nas' crowning achievement in several respects and what he's been spending his entire career trying to recapture so i think considering that jay-z is currently on his third attempt at making the blueprint it's apt in more ways than one
my argument is not that it is merely iconic, it's that it's iconic and exemplary and i don't want to write a huge dissertation on the blueprint cause dozens of other dudes have already done it for me
we can step to my rap game, though. if that is truly what you desire
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I didn't really mean to talk shit about Illmatic to be honest, and I'd be interested in your analysis of the album as a whole because I feel it is made up excellently produced tracks with some sick rhymes but it doesn't hold together as well as something like Vol. 2 (which I think it is fairer to compare it to in terms of coherency rather than a concept album like American Gangster, before someone jumps on me about that) and as a result doesn't stand up to repeat listens as well
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: Hat on 01 Oct 2009, 23:05 ---do you think you are in the best position to judge that if you don't listen to much hip-hop
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Shit man where DID I get that impression from
Hat:
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 02 Oct 2009, 00:23 ---
--- Quote from: Hat on 01 Oct 2009, 23:58 ---but by putting the Blueprint in the top ten of this list and having it be the only hip-hop album they by extension declare it the best hip-hop album of the decade by a pretty impressive margin, which I am disagreeing with. That is my opinion! What is your problem with that?
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I don't remember disagreeing with you on your objections to The Blueprint's place in the muscial canon nor it's status as a "token" pick on that list. My problem is with your contention that you have to know a lot about hip-hop to judge if a hip-hop album is any good.
EDIT: ...in relation to all music in all genres made this decade.
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wait I did say this and you made a half-assed attempt to answer my concerns when I fleshed my opinion out more thoroughly. When I addressed those concerns you didn't answer me you just restated your original point so maybe you could try a little harder to have a discussion instead of being a dick about it
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