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[Kugai]

Somehow, I get the sound of gears graunching when I see that third panel of Marten


At least he hasn't suffered a Cascade Failure.   


Hmmmmm

Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!

[Binary]

Tights, folks!  Flesh-tone ("nude") tights.  Heavier weight than pantyhose, just as sexy looking, and surprisingly warm.  

Plus, women may (or may not) have extra subcutaneous fatty insulation (I'm often astounded at seeing skimpily-dressed women out in temperatures where I'm bundled up and shivering).

Downside? Cellulite.

[Near Lurker]

Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!

 

Why.

[LeeC]

here we go again...

I wonder if marten would be the best man.  Awesome story arc for the spring.  Plus I imagine we'd see Veronica again.

[Watched Pot]

Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!

 

Why.

Kugai thinks gay people are unclean pass it on

[the_shankmaster]

I'm of the opposite opinion.  It's just a touch too prudish & hypocritical for me.

Err but its the instinct of pretty much every child.

Eh.  Never bothered me.

[kraemandrummer]

And yeah for Marten's dad!  I wonder if it'll be an open-invite wedding, like in GWS... nothing like crossover pandering!  

It'll probably be a quick civil ceremony, though, with the honeymoon in Stowe.  

Will Veronica Vance give the groom away?  Will Marten and Steve be ringbearers?  Will Deathmole play at the reception?  Tune in and speculate!  

Well Randy and Jeph were discussing crossover issues on twitter...
shit would be epic

EDIT: 1 panel to go!

[raoullefere]

Kugai drinks, says people are unseen. Pass it on.

[kraemandrummer]

awwwww Dora wants to be a flower girl

WHOOP maybe this will get her in the mood for a wedding of her own

[the_shankmaster]

Wedding arc!

[Shadic]

Marten's sound effects always entertain.

[lunakitten]

Aw- this one made me all misty
It's clear that Martin's approval means alot to him. That's so sweet.

 Plus... wedding! 

[Schmorgluck]

The conversation between Marten and Henry, with its sort of inversion of father-son relationship, made me giggle.

[snubnose]

... have I even mentioned it yet ?

In the past couple strips, Dora looked attractive to me, for the first time ever.

I luv this new style.

Not that I am, um, such an art bitch. I had some talent in drawing in the past, but I choose to pursue other talents of mine. So I really have not much of an idea about drawing ...

Plus... wedding!  

Maybe I should read less feminist forums. I'm downright surprised now if people see marriage as something positive.

(Yeah if you read some feminist forum and a single guy is defending marriage and stuff, that would be me)

[Nightson]

Hmm, I was going to make a post talking about how everyone trying to find a date for the wedding would be interesting, but then I realized that there's really no reason for the rest of the cast to be invited outside of Dora and Marten.

[Kugai]

Hanners at a Gay wedding - That should be interesting!

 

Why.

Kugai thinks gay people are unclean pass it on

Nope

Just had a humorous image of Hanners as a Bridegroom    

Maybe she could give Haruka Tenoh a run for her money.


Love the fact Marten's taking this all in stride.  I wonder if he'll give Maurice away   

lol at Dora's 'Squeeeee Moment'

[Binary]

Cute guy drinks his tea, pull Aaron's scene. Pass it on.

It would not surprise me to find Jeph had been planning the gay wedding storyline ever since his Twitter-rant against Orson Scott Card.

[Delirium]

Isn't Dora a little old to be a flower girl?

To hell with that. LET HER DO IT

[Ravenswing]

Well Randy and Jeph were discussing crossover issues on twitter...
shit would be epic

Epic shit, yeah.  Gods, I hope not.  The moods are way too different; just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.

I enjoy S*P, but it's the feeling you get when you're watching a train wreck; you know nothing's about to happen which it'll do you any good to see, but you can't tear yourself away.  Someone like Davan or Aubrey would explode in QC's relatively decent world like a hand grenade.

[Dliessmgg]

just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.

If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?

[Ravenswing]

If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?

A mixed bag.

Think about it, though.  Not every QC regular gets it right, heaven knows, but damn near everyone tries to get it right - it's a strip of fundamentally decent human beings.

[matachin]

I can really see Dora as slightly bouncy in the last panel.

Now the fun begins; who's going & how much despair will the suits/dresses cause?

[Mr_Rose]

Ooh, dresses. It would be nice to see the girls all dressed up in modern* feminine apparel. Maybe the boys could go in kilts too? My aunt's second husband did for their wedding.



*Contemporary reproductions of Victorian gowns notwithstanding of course.

[Border Reiver]

Should be an interesting arc.  Dora would make an very pretty flower girl.  And it would be nice to see Davan back in the strip.  Maybe this time Faye could get a speaking role in theirs

[Mallli_kite]

Jeph's comment on today's comment (10/21/09) juxtaposes very interestingly with today's 9 Chickweed Lane strip.


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I guess we all have to take turns fulfilling each side of the equation.

[kraemandrummer]

Well Randy and Jeph were discussing crossover issues on twitter...
shit would be epic

Epic shit, yeah.  Gods, I hope not.  The moods are way too different; just about the nicest regular over on S*P would make Faye look like a hippie love child.

I enjoy S*P, but it's the feeling you get when you're watching a train wreck; you know nothing's about to happen which it'll do you any good to see, but you can't tear yourself away.  Someone like Davan or Aubrey would explode in QC's relatively decent world like a hand grenade.

If Faye is a hippie love child, what are the GWS folks?

A mixed bag.

Think about it, though.  Not every QC regular gets it right, heaven knows, but damn near everyone tries to get it right - it's a strip of fundamentally decent human beings.

Every single character of S*P is a decent human being. Sure Davan acts an ass, but he's been through the same kind of shit Faye has. Aubrey too. They consistently do good things, while hiding it all under a veil of sarcasm, scorn, and contempt. (Kinda like House) The only people they really fuck around with is each other because it keeps them sane (relatively). Look what Davan tried to do for Candy at GWS. He's a good person.

[jonarus_drakus]

Does it make me a bad person that while i find it completely un-surprising, that i find Henry's apparently open policy on hugging to be both imensly amusing and a little disturbing?

I am all for gay rights and all that, but that doesn't mean im am rather disturbed by it (the guy on guy anyway - i have a typical single male twenty-something view of girl on girl).

[LeeC]

i think it was a really a hug of overjoy than a standard.

regardless its father and son.  its perfectly fine for them to hug.

[jonarus_drakus]

Meh, i guess im just not much of a hugger... personal space and all that...

[the_shankmaster]

Meh, i guess im just not much of a hugger... personal space and all that...

What is this personal space of which you speak?  I think I have heard something about it, but never used in the context of family, so I am not sure it is the same thing.

[Mr_Rose]

I have this unfortunate mutation where my "personal space" is actually nearly three miles in diameter. Turns out this is really good for sneaking up on people; they think they already met you a mile and a half ago and forget you're still there by the time you actually get to them. Not so good in crowds though.

[LeeC]

i remember when I used to work at GAO, I would sneak up behind my friends in their cubicles and shake their chairs and yell "earthquake test!"  scared the shit out of them haha.

[jonarus_drakus]

Of course i should probably be specific and say that by 'personal space' i mean 'i dont like to be touched, at all, by anyone, except perhaps during sex, and even then only so far as is neccisary'.

[Killbot]

If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.

[Mr_Rose]

I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.

[Near Lurker]

If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.

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[Nightson]

Apparently gay characters really bring out the whacko on the forums.

[Killbot]

I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.

Firstly, sir, I'm not a sir. I am female, was born female, and will not be trying to change this.

I can see that the Orwellian homosexualization of america has taken your mind so completely that you are unsure even that others can think differently from you. Well, I assure you I am not a troll, just one whom the truth has set free.

[LeeC]

you know who else thought the truth set them free? the nazis! (j/k lol 1337Z02Z!)

[fineout]

they actually said work set you free, but lawl at that person up there..i honestly thought/am hoping that was a joke

[thaX]

If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.

Typical.

The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.

This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.

[Killbot]

If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.

Typical.

The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.

This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.

You call my opinion "typical", then accuse me of overgeneralizing?

typical liberal behavior.

[zagraf]

People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.

Go away and read something else.  Really, it's okay.  No one's forcing you to come here.

Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph.  Either way.

[Killbot]

People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.

Go away and read something else.  Really, it's okay.  No one's forcing you to come here.

Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph.  Either way.

I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.

Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.

[Random832]

Well, it's probably not going to change.

Stop reading it. We won't miss you. More comic for the rest of us.

[syrupykeyboard]

People who hate non-hetero people should not be reading this comic, which has had an openly bisexual and an openly gay character for years, so it's not like it's a big surprise to have another two gay characters.

Go away and read something else.  Really, it's okay.  No one's forcing you to come here.

Or keep trolling and be banned by Jeph.  Either way.

I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.

Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.

Awww, look at the little stone-thrower!
First in line, weren'tcha?
Your Heavenly Father (supposedly made out of Love and popsicle-sticks) must be so proud.

Saying that a homosexual is a sinful person simply because he is a homosexual is akin to saying that African Americans are sinful simply because of the color of their skin; it's like being dissapointed with Helen Keller for being so God damn blind. Not that homosexuality, or blindness, or the color of your skin is a defect. Just using examples of something you can be born with.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
-Ghandi

P.S. I have nothing against Christianity; I myself DO believe in God.

Gosh, I need to stay away for a few days, see if this shite blows over for the most part.
Damn trolls gettin' under my skin.
See y'all in a week.

[kraemandrummer]

If this comic were even the slightest bit realistic, Marten's dad would not be making contact with him. Whatever shrill liberal media shrews may have told you, gays are not family people. Men who turn gay never return to their families.

Typical.

The overall ostracized gay community isn't always the way a particular individual would be tunneled or led through. Just because there have been many instances that made it to where a gay couple ends up estranged from family (By their choice or the families) doesn't mean that every single homosexual shunts out their family and reteats into a shack with their lover.

This is a great moment for Martin, and I think the hug is not at all over the top, nor a moment that would be rare in the given circumstances.

You call my opinion "typical", then accuse me of overgeneralizing?

typical liberal behavior.

a) I find the comment about a gay parent insulting and and am curious where your experience lies with this. My friend had a gay dad, and he was an awesome father. He was a cool guy.  He passed away a couple of years ago, but he made sure my friend got as much as possible.
b) you are overgeneralizing. This is a fact.  and you are using some sort of crappy ad hominum attack on thaX. (Doesn't work because being a liberal is only a bad thing to those who aren't) and you don't  refute their argument in the slightest, you just try to make them seen ridiculous. Which also does not work. Because thaX is talking about hugs. And hugs are awesome.

I can't tell if you're honestly just terribly bitter about some personal experience or if you're just another homophobe troll. I think it's the truly heartfelt way you made that sweeping generalisation that does it. Well played sir.

Firstly, sir, I'm not a sir. I am female, was born female, and will not be trying to change this.

I can see that the Orwellian homosexualization of america has taken your mind so completely that you are unsure even that others can think differently from you. Well, I assure you I am not a troll, just one whom the truth has set free.

oh bloody hell. I shouldn't bait you. but this is ridiculous. First off, was that statement about not changing your gender REALLY necessary? No.

Second, grammar!
so completely that you are unsure even that others can think differently from you
should be so completely so that you are unsure even if others can think differently from you.

What truth has set you free? "Oh the corrupt liberals are poisoning our society eh? Oh oh oh" (done in a monty python british accent (defence against fruit scene)) Come off it. Either that or it's God's word being the truth.

Mr_Rose does not think you're a troll because you have different ideas. He thinks you're a troll because your ideas seem to have no basis other than sweeping generalizations.

I admit that I'm not helping this situation by responding guys, but I cannot let such close-mindedness go!

I see you were busy while I was thinking this through

I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.

Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.

JESUS CHRIST! you're spouting Orson Scott Card word for word. And I guess it was God that was the truth

first of all (within this new bit) if they don't believe in god, they don't think that the traditional order of marriage is sacred.  Of course you will take their atheism as a new problem. But it isn't to them  And while being gay is a rejection of family values, due to the family values stating you shouldn't be gay, the traditional family values are not perfect and also I consider 3 levels of BS. They're generalities that make you feel superior.. Also, gay couples promote adoption, a good thing.
And being gay IS okay, within the mess that is human existence.

As for the gay people who happen to be christian, trust me they're not making excuses. But it feels right to them.

[The Duke]

I don't hate people of abnormal sexuality, they're flawed, sinful people like everyone else. In fact, the presence of homosexuals gives the comic more realism, and demonstrates that the characters are imperfect and in need of God's transforming power. I have no problems with gays in fiction, but with Jeph's attitude toward them, portraying them as okay and not needing to change. This is a rejection of family values and the traditional order of marriage.

Bottom line: I'll suspend my disbelief, but not my beliefs.

Awww, look at the little stone-thrower!
First in line, weren'tcha?
Your Heavenly Father (supposedly made out of Love and popsicle-sticks) must be so proud.

Saying that a homosexual is a sinful person simply because he is a homosexual is akin to saying that African Americans are sinful simply because of the color of their skin; it's like being dissapointed with Helen Keller for being so God damn blind. Not that homosexuality, or blindness, or the color of your skin is a defect. Just using examples of something you can be born with.

I'm not taking Killbot's side, but I don't think she was saying homosexuality is a sin; she's saying everyone's a sinner, including them.

[Muirghiel]

Sinners have more fun.

I predict that Maurice says no, and Marten & Co. go to stay with him for a couple of weeks (months in our time).  They party, go clubbing, drip acid, and Tai spontaneously gets a sex change then marries Daddy Reed.

[Carl-E]

Syrupykeyboard, please don't go - I enjoy your outlook, and I couldn't have said it better myself! 

That being said, I feel the need to correct Killbot on an important point.  I've known a lot of gay men with children, most conceived during a failed attempt at "normality" (the pressure these people were under, especially before the '70's was amazing). 

They are universally (to a man, you might say) close to their children.  Not always to the mothers of those children, but usually they've worked out a functional relationship there as well. 

They're often estranged from the rest of their family - parents, siblings, cousins - but not their children. 

So, I don't know what source you got that idea from, but it's not one that's familiar with the family life of the homo sapiens homosexualis.