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Kick Ass (the movie)
Alex C:
Also, the Metal Gear games are bad and Hideo Kojima should feel bad.
knives:
--- Quote from: Alex C on 27 Apr 2010, 16:17 ---His video games aren't art stance is weird and kinda myopic. I just want him to meet us halfway and acknowledge that a video game can be art or at least contain art even if most of them aren't interested in making the attempt. I mean, yes, art is often in part a sort of communication between the artist and the audience and in video games you do cede a lot of control to the audience. But there is still form and structure there and he willfully ignores the point that linearity does exist in games. Yes, the player can derail a game by refusing to take it seriously or acting impulsively, but the same can be said of a stubborn or bored audience watching a movie.
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100% agree with this. That's why I said that games can, and often do contain artistry. Ebert's refusal to see that is a total failure on his part. But for reasons you outline amongst some others, I don't think video games can be treated as art, at least in the same sense the various things that are considered art are. Or to phrase an other way the core to something like GTA or GH isn't artistic in any sense. The formation of the pixels, music, what have you takes an artist but what it makes is sports like moreso than arts like.
But like I said some of these games completely fail at being games and only work for their artistic qualities. Actually that's what I'm getting at! It may have the qualities of art, but it doesn't take the form.
ackblom12:
There is a video game forum, please use it. I may even participate if it doesn't turn into a dicking clusterfuck too quickly.
the_pied_piper:
Too late.
tania:
i just saw this. this film is REALLY fun. if you can get past the frighteningly high number of scenes where young children and teenagers kill people and also get the shit beaten out of them by grown men (not going to put a spoiler alert here because come on, this is basically the entire movie), it's delightful. nicholas cage is surprisingly funny too. a lot of the negative reviewers seem to be complaining that it's too over the top and distasteful but if you put aside any and all desire to read into the societal implications of having children swear or kill people or whatever and instead just treat it as just the silly violent fantasy thrill ride it is, it's a very exciting and well done one. one great big recommendation from me.
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