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He's awkward because he was a virgin for an entire century. No wonder the dude is an abusive asshole.
Surgoshan:
It's only an allegory if it's a symbol.
Edward being a 100+ year old virgin wasn't an allegory. It was a fact.
Also, Alanis Morissette wasn't singing about irony.
Jack Black *was* singing about fucking her hard.
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: Ikrik on 08 Feb 2010, 03:17 ---
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 07 Feb 2010, 23:50 ---Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint
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No. Nope. Sorry. The Twilight Saga is about as complex as a toothpick. The whole Edward is an extremely awkward virgin is true, we kind of know that, the allegory is obvious. Stephanie Meyer stated it a bunch in interviews and I'm sure it's spelled out in the book at some point. They have to stay virgins because otherwise their beautiful relationship just won't work, as much as Bella thinks otherwise.
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So did you intentionally misread my post? I said extremely awkward, the book tries to make him look like a perfect Greek god made (diamond-fragment-covered) flesh. It works better when he is thought of more realistically (repressed as hell).
--- Quote ---And seriously, give me some quotes for how Bella is an emotionally manipulative villian. Hell, give me some quotes about how Bella is even a character who has any kind of personality traits at all. There is nothing there to her character, I read through all of...Breaking Dawn and the most I can come up with is that she loves Edward with all of her heart, loves Jacob Black...but only as a friend, and wants to keep her freak-child.....of whom she calls Renesmee but everyone calls her Nessie. She doesn't like the name Nessie. That was all I got.
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587 for the whole thread. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587&userid=118075 for just the posts of the guy that is making that interpretation. He seems to make crazy movie interpretations his hobby, as well as being an asshole to anyone that takes a more conventional view or doesn't bother thinking "deeply" about every film they see. edit: Crap, that is the new moon thread. It has a bit of the same thing in there, but not as much as the twilight thread did. The twilight thread has been archived, so I can't get any quotes from it.
Oh, and in case someone here doesn't know (everyone should, but someone might possibly not know about SA if they are new to the whole internet thing), the Something Awful forums are probably not completely work safe. Nothing too graphic, and there is a word filter when you aren't logged in, but you don't want to be reading it at work.
Eris:
man, reading that thread reminds me how much I dislike some aspects of literary analysis. The whole "author is dead" stuff makes me feel like people completely disregard the author's involvement in actually writing the piece. While that guy's interpretation of the story was interesting and definitely different from the usual interpretations, saying "it doesn't matter what she meant when she wrote it" really annoys me. Other people saying "you're just outraged that teenage girls are reading it" also annoys me, because yes, I am annoyed that teenage girls are reading it. I am also annoyed that mature adults are reading it, because it is badly written and in general a boring story. Why should that undermine my opinion?
rararar, getting cranky at the internet talking about Twilight. what is going to come of me?
a pack of wolves:
Just out of interest, why do you think the author's intentions do matter?
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