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Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
Eris:
She put it up on her site after she stopped writing it. It is all there.
KvP:
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 02 Dec 2009, 13:07 ---surely you don't think culture has no effect on people's behaviour or thinking?
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Culture influences people in sort of the same way that guns kill people. Which is to say, culture influences people, but I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "na na na na" so really who's to say that culture influences people? It's like that flavored powder you put in your water. It's a part of every drink you take but it doesn't really add anything. We can pay lip service to the fact that people's behavior is influenced by outside forces yet in so very few cases are those outside forces really a factor. To have them actually up space is to render us supremely uncomfortable about our power over ourselves.
So it might be the case that women are perpetually bombarded by messages about how the shame they should feel over their bodies and their desires and about what they should sacrifice in the name of love, but ultimately their feelings are their own responsibility, or more likely the responsibility of the parent whose actions are apparently the only factor in the entire system of influences that could have been meaningfully different, bringing it back down again to a single person's arbritary choice, conveniently enough the choice of the person with the least cumulative power. Problems with body image? Just another type of narcissism. Keep dating bad guys? Just have to pick them better next time. Addiction? It's all about how much you want to stay clean. At no point does a game or a book or your memories of your dad beating the shit out of your mom make it impossible for you to choose, thus all of these things are ultimately worthless when we're talking about influence.
Caleb:
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 03 Dec 2009, 16:46 ---Caleb, you are a librarian, right? What have you seen with regards to Twilight's demographic (unless you already said it and I missed it, in which case point it out)?
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I am in charge of buying books for the adult collection. Due to demand I have been forced to buy a full set of Twilight books TWICE for the adult collection. People keep on taking them and not returning.
There are are a lot of adults reading these books. I know that the twenty-somethings that work at my gym were all reading it awhile back.
This is a kinda rural/suburban area. There is less backlash against adults reading the book so I think more do. I think the movies are driving the reading a bit more here. Also Oprah did an interview recently and that has caused some buzz.
It's tough to run the numbers though. I am sure many younger people are checking out the books from the adult collection because they are checked in. Older people ARE reading these books though.
Not enough of them for me to change up what I am buying though. People in the area love the murder mysteries. Every time someone like Kathy Reichs comes out with a new books I gotta lease like five extra copies.
KvP:
--- Quote from: KvP on 04 Dec 2009, 00:31 ---
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 02 Dec 2009, 13:07 ---surely you don't think culture has no effect on people's behaviour or thinking?
--- End quote ---
Culture influences people in sort of the same way that guns kill people. Which is to say, culture influences people, but I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "na na na na" so really who's to say that culture influences people? It's like that flavored powder you put in your water. It's a part of every drink you take but it doesn't really add anything. We can pay lip service to the fact that people's behavior is influenced by outside forces yet in so very few cases are those outside forces really a factor. To have them actually up space is to render us supremely uncomfortable about our power over ourselves.
So it might be the case that women are perpetually bombarded by messages about how the shame they should feel over their bodies and their desires and about what they should sacrifice in the name of love, but ultimately their feelings are their own responsibility, or more likely the responsibility of the parent whose actions are apparently the only factor in the entire system of influences that could have been meaningfully different, bringing it back down again to a single person's arbritary choice, conveniently enough the choice of the person with the least cumulative power. Problems with body image? Just another type of narcissism. Keep dating bad guys? Just have to pick them better next time. Addiction? It's all about how much you want to stay clean. At no point does a game or a book or your memories of your dad beating the shit out of your mom make it impossible for you to choose, thus all of these things are ultimately worthless when we're talking about influence.
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Man I was so drunk last night.
JD:
New Moon in 15 minutes
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