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Swag Me The Fuck Out
David_Dovey:
I used to think like that but then, really, I don't identify with most of the lyrical content of music I listen to. I mean, I still don't listen to Top 40 hip-hop but that has more to do with how it's pretty much artistically bankrupt and cliché-ridden instead of any whiny liberal outrage.
Rizzo:
Hmmm, I'd agree with that also. Lyrics are important though, we are talking about hip hop here, not post rock or metal. Hip hop without lyrics, while awesome (I'm looking at you DJ Shadow/Flying Lotus) is still something of a subgenre and certainly not a major commercial player. I don't think you can disregard lyrics when it comes to hip hop.
KharBevNor:
I don't think you have to be possessed with 'whiny liberal outrage' to find the vast majority of top 40 rap to be moronic woman-hating neo-minstrel bullshit. And as Rizzo said, it's not exactly a genre where you can ignore the lyrics because the lyrics and how they're sung is like the whole fucking point. Especially in most of the rap I hear on the radio where the beats take 'dull', 'insipid' and 'overused' to new, dizzying, never-before-reached heights.
The reason there's not much discussion going on in this thread is because JC and Kieff have practically said that this thread is not for the discussion of 'alternative' or 'intelligent' rap music, but mostly rap music where black dudes are paid shitloads of money by white record industry execs to play up negative racist stereotypes about themselves for a predominantly white audience.
Whatever.
Professor Snuggles:
--- Quote from: Zombiedude on 23 Nov 2010, 11:47 ---Hey Kieff what do you think about the new Kanye West album.
--- End quote ---
I mean I have pretty much always hated Kanye, at least as a rapper, but I love this thing. It's doing everything I liked in 808's (being really catchy but not exactly easy to listen to sometimes) without him tryna swag too hard when he spits. The production is amazing, obviously, and like, if you listen to All of The Lights, or Power, or Runaway holy shit Runaway, you can see that he's not going as hard as himself, but then he lets Rick Ross just tear it up in Devil in a New Dress.
Professor Snuggles:
As for the rest of y'alls comments, I dunno, man. I think it is pretty incredibly ignorant to say that there is no depth to rap music's lyrics, even the mainstream radio stuff. Like, sure, they aren't rapping about the socioeconomic state of the underprivileged, or the tragedy of life in America, or even comparing various girls they're in love with to various things, but the idea that it's just simple "murder bitch money, check it I talk funny" seems woefully uninformed. The amount of wordplay that goes into, for example, the average Jay-Z track is stunning ("attract money my worst color is light green") and even those Odd Future kids are mad funny, for example "hell's angel, crack christ cross the face with erasers and use based god as his replacement." Based God referring to Lil B, who is another one of those really awesome rappers. The idea of raps continuity is another thing that really appeals to me, that all these disparate artists are working together, in the same universe, and reference each other. It's egotistical but it's also communal, and that's rad. You can like a rapper and think "man I hope he works with ____" and he probably will.
That's fuccin swag, you know?
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