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David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 11 Jan 2010, 08:56 ---
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 11 Jan 2010, 05:09 ---
--- Quote ---In a May 2009 interview, Pop announced his plans to join with Watt, Scott Asheton, Mackay and former guitarist James Williamson and perform Raw Power as "Iggy and the Stooges", with an openness to future projects with this lineup.[18][19] Pop stated that "although 'the Stooges' died with Ron Asheton, there is still 'Iggy and the Stooges'".[20
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This kind of made me say "eww"
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While I feel to an extent this isn't fair on Ron's memory, at the same time Ron was hugely marginalised in the 'Iggy and the...' line-up in the first place. So having James back in on guitar actually sort of makes sense, it's just an extremely morbid sense.
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While I saw the logic in it from the start, it still strikes me as a bit of a semantic wriggle, claiming that you can't have "The Stooges" without Ron, but you can have "Iggy and". I guess it depends on whether or not you personally define "The Stooges" and "Iggy and the Stooges" as separate entities. Honestly if they'd never said Ron was irreplaceable I probably wouldn't have a problem. And of course it's not enough of a problem to not make seeing them an extremely inviting prospect, particularly seeing as I didn't see the Asheton lineup when they played at the Big Day Out three years ago (another one of those situations where I only got into the band after they'd been, natch)
Of course one might find similar problems with the reunion of Sleep, what with supposed tension between Al Cisneros and Chris Hakius after the latter's departure from Om.
KvP:
Scott Asheton's still alive, and he's still hungry. He was pretty much the only good thing about The Weirdness, if there was a good thing about it. If he's okay with it I am. Besides, I think Williamson gets short shrift in general, given his reputation as a supposed pretender to Ron Asheton's throne. He's a pretty good guitarist.
StaedlerMars:
ugh, why are ATP tickets always so expensive (I know why, but it's still upsetting cause I don't have that money)
David_Dovey:
--- Quote from: KvP on 11 Jan 2010, 19:28 ---Besides, I think Williamson gets short shrift in general, given his reputation as a supposed pretender to Ron Asheton's throne. He's a pretty good guitarist.
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The opening solo on "Search and Destroy" makes me smile every time
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 11 Jan 2010, 19:22 ---
--- Quote from: DynamiteKid on 11 Jan 2010, 08:56 ---
--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 11 Jan 2010, 05:09 ---
--- Quote ---In a May 2009 interview, Pop announced his plans to join with Watt, Scott Asheton, Mackay and former guitarist James Williamson and perform Raw Power as "Iggy and the Stooges", with an openness to future projects with this lineup.[18][19] Pop stated that "although 'the Stooges' died with Ron Asheton, there is still 'Iggy and the Stooges'".[20
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This kind of made me say "eww"
--- End quote ---
While I feel to an extent this isn't fair on Ron's memory, at the same time Ron was hugely marginalised in the 'Iggy and the...' line-up in the first place. So having James back in on guitar actually sort of makes sense, it's just an extremely morbid sense.
--- End quote ---
While I saw the logic in it from the start, it still strikes me as a bit of a semantic wriggle, claiming that you can't have "The Stooges" without Ron, but you can have "Iggy and". I guess it depends on whether or not you personally define "The Stooges" and "Iggy and the Stooges" as separate entities. Honestly if they'd never said Ron was irreplaceable I probably wouldn't have a problem. And of course it's not enough of a problem to not make seeing them an extremely inviting prospect, particularly seeing as I didn't see the Asheton lineup when they played at the Big Day Out three years ago (another one of those situations where I only got into the band after they'd been, natch)
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It is just semantics, but I still definitely consider 'Iggy and the' to be basically a separate entity. Different name, different line-up, different band; if only one of those was true then I'd reconsider. Three of the members were the same, yes, but Ron was reluctantly playing bass and as such it was virtually pointless him being involved at all. That album was not really about him, but Iggy and Williamson. If Ron had played guitar on the album and they'd replaced him with an unknown entity, I'd be less understanding.
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