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Ptommydski:
--- Quote from: Inlander on 17 Feb 2010, 16:59 ---Everyone else, please shut the fuck up, although if you want to continue discussing the history of the Butthole Surfers by all means start a thread about that.
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A discussion about an important legal precedent which has potentially massive implications across the independent music scene is highly topical for this of all forums. If you really want to be involved, move the discussion to a new thread since you are quite capable of doing so. Otherwise, practise setting an example of being an "adult" by utilising your scroll wheel like everybody else.
--- Quote from: Inlander on 17 Feb 2010, 16:59 ---Tommy and Tricia, I respect both of you to varying extents but I'm getting sick of you both ripping into each other all the time. This is a big forum and obviously we can't all be friends but we should at least be adult enough to stop baiting each other.
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I'll happily discuss anything involving music in a civil manner just as I have been doing for going on seven years here but I'm sorry to say I've reached my limit of tolerating posts like this one, which contribute nothing except to place us in a situation like we find ourselves in here. I know it's still considered perfectly acceptable to throw shit at me, I'm thoroughly used to being able to rely on absolutely nothing in the way of support from inconsistent, arbitrarily appointed moderators. However, given over half a decade of knowing this, I'm afraid I will be defending myself in any manner I see fit, now and always.
It's this simple for you and him - be civil and I'll be the nicest person you are likely to meet. I'll chat about anything, dawn to dusk. Alas, even I have limits and the practice of people testing them for funsies has grown way, way old.
Inlander:
Tommy I'd happily use my scroll wheel but I received a specific request via PM to step in and do something about this thread. As I'm sure you've noticed I prefer to be a hands-off moderator as much as possible, and I've always felt that when it comes to threads such as this which have gone violently off-topic, suggesting that discussions be taken elsewhere is a much more effective and reasonable approach than deleting and relocating posts myself unilaterally and without consultation. The content of the recent discussion in this thread has, in fact, been much more fascinating than the thread's original topic (even if the manner in which that discussion has been conducted has left something to be desired), but I'm sure you can appreciate the difference between "relevant to the thread" and "relevant to the forum".
If you feel that you are not supported by myself and the other moderators then I apologise for that; the only explanation I can offer is that you seem to have the support of such a great swathe of this forum's population that, to a newcomer or relative outsider here, the odds would already seem heavily stacked in your favour. If you look again at my address to you and tricia kidd you'll see that neither of you is treated more sympathetically than the other, so in this particular instance I don't think you can reasonably justify a relative lack of support. I will not ever act more or less favourably to somebody based solely on the length of time he or she has been active in this forum.
scarred:
this thread is so funny
Ptommydski:
--- Quote from: Inlander on 17 Feb 2010, 18:22 ---Tommy I'd happily use my scroll wheel but I received a specific request via PM to step in and do something about this thread. As I'm sure you've noticed I prefer to be a hands-off moderator as much as possible, and I've always felt that when it comes to threads such as this which have gone violently off-topic, suggesting that discussions be taken elsewhere is a much more effective and reasonable approach than deleting and relocating posts myself unilaterally and without consultation.
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In this instance relocating the posts was the better decision rather than extinguishing a reasonable conversation which was being sabotaged by the posts of one person. I know it's the morning for you but there's nothing thoughtful about the phrase "shut the fuck up". Move the discussion, that's far less offensive than telling someone to "shut the fuck up". Give it some thought first or resume your status as a "hands off moderator".
--- Quote from: Inlander on 17 Feb 2010, 18:22 ---If you feel that you are not supported by myself and the other moderators then I apologise for that; the only explanation I can offer is that you seem to have the support of such a great swathe of this forum's population that, to a newcomer or relative outsider here, the odds would already seem heavily stacked in your favour.
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All well and good for you but as per usual, the moderators are "hands off" until I finally get tired of people being snide and ask them to amend their behaviour. Then suddenly the "hands off" moderators show an interest. I would say it's surprising but it ceased to be years ago. I could post ten names right now of people who have tried to make it their business to be as rude and irritating towards me as humanly possible without so much as a word of objection from the "hands off" moderators. Half of them were moderators themselves while it was happening, all but maybe one ended up being good friends with me years down the line. If I didn't know how to handle it, I wouldn't be here right now. Thus, as much as I appreciate you're trying to help, you're not.
--- Quote from: Inlander on 17 Feb 2010, 18:22 ---If you look again at my address to you and tricia kidd you'll see that neither of you is treated more sympathetically than the other, so in this particular instance I don't think you can reasonably justify a relative lack of support. I will not ever act more or less favourably to somebody based solely on the length of time he or she has been active in this forum.
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However, this shouldn't preclude you from isolating who made the conversation antagonistic and then asking them to avoid doing it in the future, if indeed you feel the need to involve yourself for whatever reason. There's a chronology to this and other discussions, it's not difficult to see the point it turned sour. Given the fact that as in the past I'm not going to attack people unless there's persistent, pointed provocation, it's incredibly easy to stay on my good side. However, there's a limit to my patience and since I know I'm never going to get any support from the moderators, it's up to me to deal with it in the manner I deem to be appropriate given the individual situation.
Given the complexity of what is almost certainly a previously banned individual making sporadic posts on the forum through a sibling's account, then I'm afraid that yes, I'd expect to be favoured if the other person is blatantly trolling and I'm trying to have a civil discussion on a subject which is valid, if very off topic. On the day that I start trolling and/or telling people to "shut the fuck up", by all means call me out on it as quickly as you would (in theory) tell someone with one post to do so. I understand that stance completely but that's not what was happening here and if any moderation was required at all, the best course of action would have been to split the thread off and remonstrate the person who is still persistently being an arse through another person's account.
pilsner:
Tommy, I'm not sure whether my opinion is worth anything to you but on the off chance that I command some sort of elder statesman respectability by being one of the older posters, I'd like to suggest that you take a little posting break and come back to this thread in a few hours with perhaps a different perspective. As far as I can see, Harry has handled this completely reasonably, the discussion while fascinating has nothing to do with the thread topic, and you are allowing yourself to be trolled. I have started a separate thread to pursue the article that you posted here, not least because I find the topic pretty interesting myself.
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