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Steve Jobs having a frank email exchange
Ozymandias:
I have to reiterate this, though:
The technical concerns seem silly when Google just proved Flash can be used in a smartphone and used well. Yes, it's a major slowdown when you have all Flash running at all times, but the option to have Flash on demand is easy and effective.
est:
Yeah, and Apple didn't say "OK Adobe, the current version of Flash won't work for these technical reasons, let's sort this shit out". Adobe wanted to get Flash working on the iPod/iPhone but Apple didn't take them up on it.
Also, hiding behind technical restrictions is a pretty lame excuse. Jobs otherwise seems like a "just get it done" kind of guy, so that plus the new rules against cross-compiling forcing devs into Apple's way or nothing at all makes me believe there's more to this than just a tech issue.
jhocking:
--- Quote from: est on 26 May 2010, 02:55 ---Yeah, and Apple didn't say "OK Adobe, the current version of Flash won't work for these technical reasons, let's sort this shit out".
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How do you know they didn't?
Catfish_Man:
--- Quote from: Ozymandias on 25 May 2010, 15:12 ---I have to reiterate this, though:
The technical concerns seem silly when Google just proved Flash can be used in a smartphone and used well. Yes, it's a major slowdown when you have all Flash running at all times, but the option to have Flash on demand is easy and effective.
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That really doesn't sound like "used well" to me. That sounds like "Flash performance blows, but sometimes you're ok with that". I wonder if they're allowing the Flash Player JIT to run or not (i.e. whether they decided the security tradeoff is worth it).
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To clarify, I don't think this is "The Reason" Flash isn't on the iPhone. Even in my personal life I rarely do something for only one reason, and this is a vastly more complex, longer-term decision than most of those.
I mostly just wanted to defend my profession (software engineering) a bit by pointing out that behind the surface-visible layer of corporate posturing and apparent petty bullshit, there's another layer of decisions being made based on more practical concerns, like "can this be done", and "can this be done without sacrificing security/performance/etc...".
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Ozymandias:
It's used well because while it makes the overall performance of the browser suck if it's constantly running, you can make it so you only use it when you need to use it which means you get almost no net performance decrease overall.
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