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What is Marigold's fundamental character?
John_Knee:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 03 Sep 2011, 16:29 ---The difference between Marigold and Faye is that we are aware of Faye's "deep dark issue". Marigold, AFAWK, doesn't have some similar issue - other than the little things we've heard from her about being teased and her social awkwardness.
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Previously on top of page two I wrote a long piece (a long long time ago) that Marigold is very much more of an introvert. It is quite clear that Faye isn't and is on the extrovert side of the scale.
Although we know from comments that Marigold was bullied etc, it is highly likely that she was bullied as a consesquence of her introvert nature (since introverts have less friends etc, introverts do seem to tend to be more likely to be picked on). Faye functioned normally until her dad's suicide.
Hence, a lot of Marigold's 'problems' are a thing of nature, whereas Faye's problem's are one of nurture. It is easier for Faye's problems to be dealt with professionally, but it'll be a lot harder for Marigold's 'problems' to be solved - and quite likely to a introvert's mindset, the 'problems' aren't really a problem.
questionablecontentfan:
There's nothing wrong with Marigold.
Tova:
I really don't understand the poll options. They all seem to be 'Marigold is a bad person' options with varying degrees of qualification.
She obviously has issues with confidence and self-esteem, and has difficulty moving out of her comfort zone. Or maybe she's lazy. Point is, she has her issues (which cast member doesn't?) but the poll options seem to be entirely perpendicular to her most obvious ones.
I suppose they might have been intended just to get the conversation going, but they don't seem terribly useful to me. I went for 42. It's definitely the right answer - now I just need to understand the question.
Someone has tried to be funny. You may wish to review your post.
Nah.
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: John_Knee on 13 Sep 2011, 14:44 ---Hence, a lot of Marigold's 'problems' are a thing of nature, whereas Faye's problem's are one of nurture. It is easier for Faye's problems to be dealt with professionally, but it'll be a lot harder for Marigold's 'problems' to be solved - and quite likely to a introvert's mindset, the 'problems' aren't really a problem.
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Bleah. So introverts are born, not made? Sure, some personalities are more introverted than others by their nature, but the teasing Mari suffered is a positive reenforcement of introversion, sending her deeper into it. That's learned behaviour, "nurture", and can be ameliorated with help.
And what happened to Faye had little if anything to do with nurture. Her way of coping with it was self destructive, but based on her nature - outgoing, interactive with other people (even if that interaction frequently ended in punches).
It's just not that cut and dried!
Oh, and QCfan, Mari has issues. Everyone in this comic (and IRL) has issues. You may not see them for what you percieve as her awesomeness, but Mari thinks of herself in a negative light (fat, smelly, ugly, etc.), and that's wrong - as you well know!
Oh, Tova posted, and said much the same things about Marigold's issues. Oh, well.
John_Knee:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 13 Sep 2011, 16:32 ---
--- Quote from: John_Knee on 13 Sep 2011, 14:44 ---Hence, a lot of Marigold's 'problems' are a thing of nature, whereas Faye's problem's are one of nurture. It is easier for Faye's problems to be dealt with professionally, but it'll be a lot harder for Marigold's 'problems' to be solved - and quite likely to a introvert's mindset, the 'problems' aren't really a problem.
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Bleah. So introverts are born, not made? Sure, some personalities are more introverted than others by their nature, but the teasing Mari suffered is a positive reenforcement of introversion, sending her deeper into it. That's learned behaviour, "nurture", and can be ameliorated with help.
And what happened to Faye had little if anything to do with nurture. Her way of coping with it was self destructive, but based on her nature - outgoing, interactive with other people (even if that interaction frequently ended in punches).
It's just not that cut and dried!
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My point is, even with counciling and therapy, Marigold will always be introverted as it appears to be her basic nature. She might be coaxed out to be less introvert on occassions but she won't be comfortable with it and needs a certain amount of (self)pressure. Correct to say the bullying is a positive re-enforcement, but speaking as an introvert myself, it is highly likely she would still be a socially awkward individual who seeks a small group of friends rather than a more normal sized group regardless of the bullying. Getting professional help won't give her the mentality to go out and be more comfortable in social situations. I would say a lot of the balance of who she is now is based more upon the 'nature' side of things than the 'nurture'.
I'd argue Faye is on the flip side of that in terms of her negative personality aspects. From the flashbacks, she doesn't seem the violent type prior to the suicide of her dad and since she has started receiving professional help, her consistancy of violent behaviour appears to have fallen - although she still slaps Pintsize (as does everyone including Hanners so maybe that doesn't count). Although Faye might have a bit of natural aggression in her personality, it appears her fathers sucicide acted as the thing that allows her to actively channel that aggression. I'd even suggest a lot of her violence is directly linked to her anger at not knowing why her father killed himself. As she recieves more councilling and comes to turns with the suicide, her anger will dampen and any violent outbursts will be minimal. Hence, because her behaviour can be de-learnt, her negative personality traits is where nurture is the dominant cause.
And yes I know it isn't always so cut and dried. People's characters are never 100% nature or 100% nurture and is in a sliding scale inbetween - in the same way people aren't 100% straight or 100% gay. But in terms of what is causing the negative personality characteristics, Marigold's is much more down to nature while Fayes is much more on the nurture side of things.
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