Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: 7-11 June 2010 (1681-1685)
Mad Cat:
Note the caveat, "in that dress". How often does Marigold get dressed up? Answer: Not too damn often. Note how she's the only one who dressed any differently than they normally do just to go over to a friend's place to eat gross food and watch gross videos off the webitubes. I'd think it highly doubtful she's ever been this dolled up since her graduation perp-walk, and that would have been mostly hidden by the identity-obliterating gown.
As one of the big boobied bunch on here, I can saw with some authority, that it's not remotely beyond the pale that this is the first compliment Mar-Bear's rack has ever received. And yes, as Neskah has already pointed out obliquely, her smile in panel 3B is awesome. Also, it's not only normal for people to be asymmetric, but it's actually abnormal to not be. Everyone has something different about their... faces... left to right. It's the way things work.
In fact, Jeph seems to have a visual meme going with characters in panels 3A and 3B being shown very similarly, but with a slight change in facial expression. Compare today's with http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1643 .
OMG! Love GWS and Wapsi! But you forgot the that buxom madgirl Agatha Heterodyne on GirlGenius. Of course, your point is webcomics that make more of characters' breasts than average, and Agatha's never lost a kitten in hers. Strange, considering a certain previous comics project of the Professors Foglio.
stevelore:
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 10 Jun 2010, 02:13 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 10 Jun 2010, 00:30 ---Kudos to Jeph for making a big-boob joke that's actually rather touching, and working in Dora's "up front" pun too. As someone said above, the Marigold-drawing is excellent.
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 10 Jun 2010, 00:12 ---Lol. You're a guy, right? That's REALLY not how women with insecurity issues see themselves.
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I'm astounded to find myself agreeing with Jack :laugh:, but yeah. And actually we all have insecurity issues.
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Hey, I'm not that evil. :-P Plus I only remember that one time we've disagreed! Snubnose is my nemesis on these boards.
As for the poster above--I gotta say, in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists (male and female)? Jeph's focus on breasts is minimal.
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I'm not a crusader out patrolling for comics to yell about, so I just comment when I see something worth complaining about.
Also, note that "in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists" doesn't address whether or not Jeph's focus on breasts is harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms, but rather, avoids the issue entirely and points out that there are more heinous offenders. In one sense, it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, since they are probably less likely to revel in the misogyny. In another sense, wrong is wrong, whether or not other people are worse. So, either way, I think my criticism stands.
Lastly, I think that first comic you included is at least plausibly read as commentary on (rather than mere participation in) gender norms and the sexual-objectification of women.
JackFaerie:
--- Quote from: stevelore on 10 Jun 2010, 02:22 ---
Also, note that "in comparison to most webcomic cartoonists" doesn't address whether or not Jeph's focus on breasts is harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms, but rather, avoids the issue entirely and points out that there are more heinous offenders. In one sense, it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, since they are probably less likely to revel in the misogyny. In another sense, wrong is wrong, whether or not other people are worse. So, either way, I think my criticism stands.
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I will respectfully disagree. I find QC to be one of the comics that objectifies women the least, AND presents a variety of body types and shapes. Most women in QC are modestly-to-moderately-sized, chest-wise (which is refreshing all in itself, lemme tell ya). The way it does talk about breasts, when it talks about them, strikes me as realistic and reflecting my own experiences among women. And it's mostly female characters (not always, but mostly) who talk about breasts.
--- Quote ---Lastly, I think that first comic you included is at least plausibly read as commentary on (rather than mere participation in) gender norms and the sexual-objectification of women.
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Yeah, but that comic talks a LOT about Jamie's breasts and how great they are, and the art routinely draws the viewer's focus to them.
Is it having fun with the subject? Yeah. It's also quite reveling in looking at Jamie's breasts and presenting them to be looked at. But that's not always bad, and I think QC is even less objectionable on this front.
tomart:
Hey, Stevelore, as others are (and will continue) pointing out to you, very many of us LIKE boobage in our webcomics. And I will semi-respectfully suggest that if you don't like what Jeph is writing and drawing, go find something you like better. But please, PLEASE don't push a prudish, censorship mentality on the Internets. The restrictive Moral Guardians have already sanitized most media and expression, especially in America; they'd like nothing better than to shut down our online freedoms too.
Whether you're one of them, thinly disguising your agenda with obfuscation, I don't know, and really don't care. But if you can't enjoy creative expression without trying to censor it, JUST STOP. GO AWAY.
--- Quote from: stevelore on 10 Jun 2010, 02:22 ---..." harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms "
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?????????????? As liberal and open-minded as Jeph has been? NOT EVEN PLAUSIBLE.
--- Quote from: stevelore on 10 Jun 2010, 02:22 ---.... it is better to try and reform the moderate offenders, ...
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By "reform" do you mean "intimidate"? And that's assuming there's something OFFENSIVE here, besides your rediculous, inappropriate nonsense.
JackFaerie:
--- Quote from: tomart on 10 Jun 2010, 02:45 ---Hey, Stevelore, as others are (and will continue) pointing out to you, very many of us LIKE boobage in our webcomics.
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Ugh ugh ugh, this is NOT what I was pointing out. And even if that's true, that's probably a good reason NOT to depict boobs. Ugh. "I like to leer at women, pander some more to my penis!" is not a good argument here, please go away.
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--- Quote ---..." harmful perpetuation of patriarchal gender norms "
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?????????????? As liberal and open-minded as Jeph has been? NOT EVEN PLAUSIBLE.
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DUDE. STOP. That is so wrong I don't even. I agree with you that Jeph is NOT necessarily doing that, but just because a person claims to have certain sympathies does NOT mean they are incapable of acting against those sympathies or can be automatically excused. Even if you claim to the biggest supporter of feminism or anti-racism or whatever, it is still possible for you to act in a way that's sexist or racist.
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