Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCT: 7-11 June 2010 (1681-1685)
Fenriswolf:
Well yeah, I agree Jack, and find the deliberate obtuseness of most of the people on here irritating enough to not bother debating seriously most of the time.
I always have been kinda on the fence about Faye's behaviour but I've come down on the side of "inappropriate" with these recent strips. Like you say, it is not at all reciprocal, and basically her utter sexism has always got up my nose. Frankly I've never quite seen how she was supposed to be cruel to Marten, but hitting people hard when you would not take the same treatment is bullshit.
And yeah, Dora's being a dick today. :x
J:
i find it interesting, that as much implied punchery as there is in this comic, i can remember very few instances of anyone getting punched 'on camera'. people talk about getting punched, and rub there arms after getting punched, but how often do we actually see them getting punched?
Heranje:
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--- Quote from: Heranje on 08 Jun 2010, 00:35 ---Oh no quick everyone start yelling about how Dora is also abusive omgomg.
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Ok, you know what? I give up. I think this strip proves that rather than the punching being Faye's problem, the real issue behind it is that Jeph just thinks that women hitting men is funny somehow. And although "over the top violence" is an old gag frequently used in many comics, Jeph exacerbates it by putting it into a comic that is mostly realistic, and having the violence result in actual bruising that isn't a one-panel throwaway gag. As such, I can't hold Faye-the-character responsible for it, and just have to strongly disagree with Jeph on this particular idea.
Seriously. I do not find it funny. At all. I find it very unpleasant and uncomfortable, and it makes me dislike the characters. Maybe others don't feel the same way, but I do.
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I agree with you on some points - I just found it very entertaining that after there had been this long discussion about Faye's violence, Dora went on to bruise Marten in the next strip. I think the problem is that with the exception of this whole violent and abusive thing that mainly the women have going - with coffee being poured on CoD customers and those customers generally being treated like dirt, Faye punching people, others punching people, etc - the interaction and relations in the strip are realistically portrayed. Yes, I know, little talking robots, but there's a difference between a story in a fantastical setting were the portrayal of people and their interaction is still realistic, and a story with cartoonish relationships and over-the-top comic actions such as random punchings. When the rest of the way the characters relate to each other is portrayed realistically, violence that belongs in a more simple, cartoonish dynamic seems out-of-place. But I think we simply have to accept that discrepancy, and that "friendly" bruising punches dealt by the QC cast is not meant to be seen as actual abuse. Whether or not it's funny is another question entirely, and I pretty much agree that "women punching men is funny, men punching women is TERRIBLE" is a sexist attitude, but it's not one Jeph is alone in.
Look up collegehumor's "Robot girlfriend" skit on YouTube. That one pretty much illustrates the absurdity of seeing women's violence towards men as 'okay'. But though it's not a good attitude, it's not something that bothers me excessively - I like QC, so I'd rather overlook that issue than allow it to ruin my enjoyment of the comic.
Schmorgluck:
--- Quote from: Moxie on 08 Jun 2010, 00:35 ---(And if the whole idea was to keep the whole thing a secret from Marigold to begin with, none of them are being good friends o her.)
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I think the whole idea was to wait for the right moment, and to find the right way to inform her. It's easy, from our point of view, to overlook how touchy and complicated such a situation can be, especially now that their course of action backfired spectacularly, but let's try and figure out what else they could have done: tough stuff.
I'm not sure Dora is right to dismiss Hannelore's help. She may be more experienced, but Hanners is really Marigold's closest friend. If anything, I think they should go together.
Although, on second thought, I'm wondering: how much did Hanners know about where Angus and Faye were at? I can't figure it out by the comics. But if she knew the whole of it, then Marigold could feel even more betrayed precisely because she's a close friend. "Why didn't you tell me?" In this case, Hannelore'd better be left out for now. But I'm not sure.
JackFaerie:
--- Quote from: brew on 08 Jun 2010, 01:11 ---
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 08 Jun 2010, 01:02 ---
a comic that is mostly realistic
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wut
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You know. As opposed to this:
As in, the people portrayed generally follow most laws of physics, have realistic pain thresholds and recovery periods (rather than being comically beat up in one panel and fine in the next), and are not particularly exaggerated in their emotions, reactions, and capabilities. Characters not caricatures.
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