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The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
est:
I disagree that it was done deliberately. If you watch a replay in slow motion it looks like he is in the middle of trying to spin his chest toward the ball to block it, but the ball comes at him quicker than he was anticipating and he didn't get his chest to it. There's no arm movement independent from his body, he's trying to spin his chest around.
--- Quote from: Fifa Law 12 regarding fouls ---In determining whether a player deliberately (direct free kick), or accidentally (no offence) played the ball, the referee has several different considerations- whether the arm moved towards the ball, how long the player had to react, whether the player had his eyes on the ball and whether the players arm is in a "natural" or an "unnatural" position.
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He did not have very long to react and his arm is in a natural position for someone trying to pivot his body to face a ball, so it shouldn't have been taken as being deliberate.
Inlander:
Yeah but the referee doesn't get a slow-motion replay (and that's a whole different argument, so let's not go there). I agree that it probably wasn't a deliberate hand-ball and that Kewell was probably trying to chest it away, but if you look at the front-on shot in that video you can see that Kewell's first movement, in twisting his body, causes his arm to fly out away from his torso. Imagine if you're the referee and you see that in real-time: it's going to look dodgy as hell. If you're going to defend Kewell by saying that he didn't have time to react properly because the ball came fast then you have to also take into account the fact that the referee is trying to interpret what he's seeing within exactly the same time frame.
est:
Also:
--- Quote from: Fifa rules regarding serious foul play ---Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.
A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLy6U3nubao
est:
Also, I'm not saying that it's some big conspiracy or anything, just saying that it didn't look like Kewell meant to do it, and it was one of the seemingly many bad calls so far at this World Cup.
amok:
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--- Quote from: amok on 19 Jun 2010, 13:42 ---I hate Liverpool players.
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Hahahahaha
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Nah most of them are very good :)
It's just a shame that this man is our national team captain right now and I don't have anything personal against Carragher but I do genuinely think he's a liability. He does get away with a lot in the league, which is debatable I guess, but the reason he's in that position in the first place is he no longer has the pace to catch up with any attackers trying to say, run past him and score a goal. Personally I don't like that in a centre-back.
Read this for why neither Gerrard nor Lennon suited the type of wing-play required against Algeria's formation. Both drifted inside, meaning the full-backs were up against 2 or 3 opponents apiece, when Johnson and Ashley Cole are actually very good attacking full-backs. But this was completely nullified by the wingers ahead of them not doing their jobs properly.
Whilst I don't think he should have been selected, that's a personal opinion, but the best way to accomodate Steven Gerrard is to rejig the formation completely and play a Liverpool-esque 4-5-1 with him in behind Rooney. While Emile Heskey is in the squad, Stevie G will never function for England I'm afraid. You need that extra midfield player so you can push him forward, because he's in his element as an attacking mid. It's disingenuous to compare him to Barry because Barry is an out and out defensive mid while Gerrard and Lampard play more similar attacking roles for their clubs, which is why the formation gets muddled when you play them both in the centre. Hence it making sense to select Barry over one or the two because even though both Lamps and Stevie G are more effective, when on their game, at setting up attacking moves, they tend to get in each other's way, so you need that more defensive mindset alongside one of them, with the other either further forward or on the bench (anywhere but the wing).
Frankly I'd rather see a central 3 with Carrick. See the quote from that ZM article from Xabi Alonso; one of the game's most intelligent and gifted deep-lying playmakers who played with Gerrard week in, week out and knows how to get the best out of him. Sometimes it makes tactical sense to play slightly less creative players (your Barrys and Carricks) if it suits the system as a whole. England aren't Real Madrid, they can't afford to just throw any player who can play a decent through ball in the midfield somewhere and hope it works. :)
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