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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #150 on: 17 Jun 2010, 10:05 »

If DPRK qualify at the expense of Team CR9 I will laugh for days.

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #151 on: 17 Jun 2010, 10:23 »

it's like one of those books or films where shit just keeps happening, and none of it really makes sense, but you just go along for the ride because you can't help admiring the straight-out audacity and ridiculousness of the thing.

eg. all Michael Bay films
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #152 on: 17 Jun 2010, 13:06 »

YES! Mexico are up 2-0! And there's not much more than ten minutes to play! France are in massive danger of crashing out now. Come on Mexico, don't fail me now.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #153 on: 17 Jun 2010, 13:20 »

I'm not sure about France. They're not the team they once were, and haven't looked at all impressive in qualification. They should still beat South Africa, but I can see Mexico really causing them some problems.

Oh hey look at that.

I've grown up loving French football, but after the way they qualified for this tournament, I'm taking great pleasure in watching them crash and burn.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #154 on: 17 Jun 2010, 13:55 »

Satisfying, isn't it? That horribly cynical tackle by Toulalan that stopped the Mexican break at the close of the second half didn't help improve my thoughts on them either. At the rate they're going it would be a brave person who'd even bet on them beating South Africa. I think they're now utterly fucked, they need a lot to go their way in a match neither Mexico nor Uruguay needs to win and to absolutely destroy SA when they're playing shite and SA are going to be desperate not to go out without a win.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #155 on: 17 Jun 2010, 17:08 »

On the basis of the way they've played so far, I don't know if France can even beat South Africa. They'll need to score a goal first, something they have failed to do so far. To be fair to Toulalan he had to make that tackle, cynical though it was. 4 on 3 break with half-time fast approaching, someone has to stop the attack regardless of taking a booking in doing so.

I am looking forward to the Germany v Serbia game tomorrow though, the best team so far against a decent footballing nation. It's a real chance for Germany to show that they have that class in the squad to give them confidence to maybe go on and win the whole thing.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #156 on: 17 Jun 2010, 21:37 »

Mexico: form team of the tournament so far? They've played two consistently entertaining and adventurous games. Obviously Germany's put in the single most impressive performance of the tournament, but of the teams that have played twice Mexico has looked the most impressive to me.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #157 on: 18 Jun 2010, 04:31 »

I like Mexico too, I just wish they'd get things on target a little bit more. They at least produce a huge amount of "oh!" moments. I hope they can make the quarter finals at least. I missed both their matches, but what about Argentina? They've been getting the results at least, but I'm unsure how well they had to play to get them.

Looking forward to seeing how Germany deal with opponents who (I would hope) can actually threaten their defence.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #158 on: 18 Jun 2010, 05:20 »

Uh who the hell is this referee and what is he doing in a world cup match?
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #159 on: 18 Jun 2010, 05:26 »

Ruining football, basically.
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« Reply #160 on: 18 Jun 2010, 05:36 »

I'm fully expecting there to be less than 20 players on the pitch at the end of the game.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #161 on: 18 Jun 2010, 05:49 »

I wouldn't be surprised. There's, what, five booked players still on the pitch? And Serbia are finding the ball so alluring they can't restrain themselves from giving it a loving stroke with the hand. They got damn lucky German didn't punish them with that penalty.

Edit: and it's over, Germany never managed to pull themselves together and Serbia have scrambled to keep themselves in contention to progress. This world cup's really starting to throw up some surprises.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #162 on: 18 Jun 2010, 06:27 »

You know Germany are having a bad day when they miss a penalty.

The red card clearly rattled them, and I'm not surprised. Klose has never been sent off in an international game, and the whole team just looked shellshocked because of it. Podolski, even when he wasn't taking awful penalties, had plenty of chances and just couldn't hit the target.

I'll be very surprised if Germany don't go through anyway. They've done all this before, and I fully expect them to shake this off as one of those days and then make up for it by destroying Ghana.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #163 on: 18 Jun 2010, 06:55 »

Yeah, I can't see them losing to Ghana. They'll rally, and they know that unlike France they didn't just get outplayed. Then again, I thought Spain vs Switzerland was a given for Spain and that Serbia had no hope today so maybe Ghana will beat them and finish top of the group with Serbia second.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #164 on: 18 Jun 2010, 07:04 »

I really hope Ghana wins tomorrow.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #165 on: 18 Jun 2010, 07:12 »

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #166 on: 18 Jun 2010, 07:56 »

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #167 on: 18 Jun 2010, 09:46 »

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« Reply #168 on: 18 Jun 2010, 10:01 »

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #169 on: 18 Jun 2010, 10:48 »

choosing the wrong player for a penalty kick is one thing they were doing.
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« Reply #170 on: 18 Jun 2010, 11:09 »

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« Reply #171 on: 18 Jun 2010, 16:22 »

Yeah, I am having a hard time believing that ref was not in some way bribed.  Since when is a face a hand?  WHY WON'T YOU TELL US WHY YOU DISALLOWED OUR GOAL?  YOU ARE NOT A YELLOW-CARD PRINTING MACHINE I'M SO AAAANNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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« Reply #172 on: 18 Jun 2010, 16:43 »

I cannot believe I just wasted 90 minutes of my time watching England being given the run around by Algeria. That was ridiculous.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #173 on: 18 Jun 2010, 19:24 »

Yeah their matches have been the worst so far. Still laffin' that Slovenia is gonna top the 'easiest group ever' for England.

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« Reply #174 on: 18 Jun 2010, 19:24 »

Hehe yeah, England do suck a lot
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #175 on: 18 Jun 2010, 19:28 »

That terrible decision against the US earlier was a crying shame 'cos it capped a fantastic comeback but it's gonna make the final 2 games very exciting.

Results-wise that is, by no means am I suggesting that England labouring to a bore draw against that one that isn't Slovakia is going to be exciting viewing.

More importantly, tomorrow is the second world title defence of the World Cup, meaning Japan can become world champions without even leaving their group.

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #176 on: 19 Jun 2010, 06:30 »

I'll be very surprised if Germany don't go through anyway. They've done all this before, and I fully expect them to shake this off as one of those days and then make up for it by destroying Ghana.

If I spent $100 on a Bastien Schweinsteiger shirt and Germany don't at least make the quarterfinals, I will cry.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #177 on: 19 Jun 2010, 07:28 »

Oh Australia...

(I've got a fiver on Ghana winning so I'm kinda laffin' but two straight reds in two consecutive games is harsh shit)

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« Reply #178 on: 19 Jun 2010, 07:29 »

And Cahill's red was kinda ridiculous.

As of course, was Klose's.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #179 on: 19 Jun 2010, 07:33 »

Yeah not sure which of those two was worse; Cahill's was just one ridiculous decision whereas the Ger/Seb ref killed the whole game and happened to tag the same player twice.

On reflection Klose's was almost certainly worse 'cos they would've drawn or won with 11 whereas Aus were fucked regardless.

I love watching Kevin-Prince Boateng play. Much like every african attacking mid/winger at the WC he's kinda shit but at least he does a bunch of pointless stepovers on the way to failure.

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« Reply #180 on: 19 Jun 2010, 08:32 »

I watched the world cup last night with David Icke. That dude can sure knock back G&T's.
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« Reply #181 on: 19 Jun 2010, 08:54 »

Well, Australia and Ghana have drawn 1-1. Everyone here will be livid over the referee, but the fact is that the only thing that prevented Australia from winning was themselves. They had a tonne of chances in the second half including a one-on-one between Wilkshire and the goalkeeper, and they can't blame their own inability to put the ball in the back of the net - which has been a problem with the team for longer than I can remember - on the referee. As for the red card - the real question is, how the hell did the Australian defenders let Ghana put the cross that led up to it in in the first place? Kewell never should have had to be blocking a shot at all.
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« Reply #182 on: 19 Jun 2010, 09:10 »

Damn right Harry, although if you listen to the SBS propaganda brigade, Australia deserve to be handed the World Cup right now for their obviously Herculean effort.
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« Reply #183 on: 19 Jun 2010, 09:26 »

Well, Australia and Ghana have drawn 1-1. Everyone here will be livid over the referee, but the fact is that the only thing that prevented Australia from winning was themselves. They had a tonne of chances in the second half including a one-on-one between Wilkshire and the goalkeeper, and they can't blame their own inability to put the ball in the back of the net - which has been a problem with the team for longer than I can remember - on the referee. As for the red card - the real question is, how the hell did the Australian defenders let Ghana put the cross that led up to it in in the first place? Kewell never should have had to be blocking a shot at all.

I feel like you could rewrite this entire post about Germany yesterday. Yeah, the ref made a mistake sending off Klose, but they missed a PK in the second half, and hit the woodwork more times than I can remember.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #184 on: 19 Jun 2010, 09:29 »

Gonna write to Asamoah asking for my £5 bet back 'cos he fucked up every Ghana break by shooting from 40 yards. I mean seriously guy, if Xabi Alonso and Wesley Sneijder can't score from outside the box with this ball you've got no chance. Maybe run a bit more and pass it to the other guys yeah?

Awesome game all-told though. Hope Eto'o plays through the middle for Cameroon later 'cos the guy does not work as a right winger when everyone to the left of him plays for Cameroon as opposed to Inter.

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« Reply #185 on: 19 Jun 2010, 12:50 »

Still laffin' that Slovenia is gonna top the 'easiest group ever' for England.

That would be pretty fun. But England have a history of sucking at first, then not sucking quite so much and scraping through the group stage and first knockout then getting beaten by a good team. I think they'll beat Slovenia, which is a shame because Slovenian fans would probably be ecstatic just to top the group or go through let alone maybe get to the quarter finals, but England fans will bitch for years if they don't at least reach the semi finals.
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« Reply #186 on: 19 Jun 2010, 12:56 »

While this is true, this doesn't look like a team that can shift through the gears in a hurry. Rooney looks out of form, freakin' Carragher is at CB and Gerrard should never be playing. England fans will bitch 24/7 anyway and they've started already. Really want Slovenia to go through on merit, not bothered which of England and USA join them.

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« Reply #187 on: 19 Jun 2010, 13:25 »

This England squad is probably one of the worst in a long time in proportion to the quality of the Premier League. Who other than Gerrard and Rooney can be considered world class? Lampard doesn't do major tournaments, Terry is good but I wouldn't call him fantastic and the rest are just pretty poor. The decisions made about who to take were wrong too; Barry is not good enough to play international football and was injured anyway yet managed to take a spot from the more deserving Huddlestone or Adam Johnson; Heskey does a job but what is the point of playing a forward who can't score?

freakin' Carragher is at CB and Gerrard should never be playing.

Gerrard was easily the best England player against USA but his central position was usurped by the utterly dire Barry for the second game and he is wasted on the left wing. As captain he really should be used to his full potential at all times. As for Carragher, who is a better choice than him to play alongside Terry in the center of defence? He isn't the most technically brilliant player but he knows how to defend, reads a game brilliantly and doesn't fail to give everything to prevent goals.
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« Reply #188 on: 19 Jun 2010, 13:42 »

Carragher is an absolute liability. The number of penalties he would give away at club level if he wasn't playing at the kop end with a weak ref is appalling. Back when he threw his toys of the pram for not being selected and retired was semi-ironically the only time at which he should ever have been considered for international duty, so really the notion of 'Jamie Carragher, England Defender' should have been moot from then on.

He's lost all of his pace, commits stupid fouls or lets people through as a result, and generally looks out of his depth against your average Burnley winger, let alone anyone England would face on the offchance they slithered out of their group. Better choices? Dawson, Upson, Shawcross, Rio on crutches, Ledley King with both of his legs amputated above the knees, a stationary foam training man.

As for Gerrard, he plays in a position where he gets noticed a lot but frankly he contributes nothing. His passing has been atrocious for awhile, constantly picks the wrong option, and his shooting has been dire even by Jabulani-era standards. Nevermind that he's a thug and a cheat, great choice of 2nd captain.

The only way to use him to his full potential would be to play a 4-5-1 with him behind the striker and hope he successfully dives for a penalty around the 85 min mark but that would make other parts of the field significantly less effective.

The only world class players in that team are Rooney and, much as it pains me to say it, probably Ashley Cole. There aren't many clubs or countries for whom he wouldn't walk into the starting position at LB.

edit: I'd have to disagree about Barry 'usurping' the midfield slot because that's where Barry plays where fit, and playing at the more defensive end of midfield isn't Gerrard's usual brief at all. Barry and Gerrard played in those positions throughout England's absurdly successful qualifying run, and the left-sided inside forward position is far closer to where Gerrard plays his best stuff for Liverpool. The problem is that accomodating him at all then unbalances the team as he's not a real winger. Barry had one of his worse games yesterday because England as a whole were so feckless that he kept wandering forward to try and start something, but as a whole he's one of the more assured starters. The way to rebalance the midfield IMO would be to drop Lampard or Gerrard, ideally both, keep Barry central and chuck an actual left winger out wide, or at least Joe Cole.

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #189 on: 19 Jun 2010, 14:33 »

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« Reply #190 on: 19 Jun 2010, 17:17 »

Damn right Harry, although if you listen to the SBS propaganda brigade, Australia deserve to be handed the World Cup right now for their obviously Herculean effort.

I've been really disapponted with Craig Foster's jingoism this World Cup, especially last night. If you hear him talk about any other game in any other competition he's an exceptionally rational, clear-eyed, and astute analyst (by sports analyst standards, at least), but apparently give him Australia playing in the World Cup and he's no better than your average drunken boor watching a game at the pub.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #191 on: 19 Jun 2010, 18:06 »

Well, it's not SBS if you don't see a tit late at night. And there was a few absolute tits (forgive my nationalistic bullshit, but the most prominent one was the umpire).
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« Reply #192 on: 19 Jun 2010, 18:13 »

I take it SBS is like HBO in that way
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« Reply #193 on: 19 Jun 2010, 18:45 »

Wasn't a red card.  Red requires intent, and there was no fucking intent there, he was trying to block a shot with his body and it hit his arm instead.  I could have handled a yellow card and a penalty making it 1-1 with 11 men still on the field, but after that we were fucked.

Also, how the hell was the card directly after it for a fast, dangerous tackle from behind not a straight red, especially how Cahill got a straight red while trying to pull out of a tackle from the side in the previous game?  A tackle from behind = straight red.  I've heard refs mention in the past that their hands are tied when something like that happens because FIFA has a zero tolerance policy on tackles from behind.

So yeah, other than that it was an enjoyable game to watch.  Australia showed a lot more spirit than in the Germany game, and regardless of having an absolute mountain to climb to get out of the group stage I feel a lot better about our team.  If they had played like this during the Germany game we would have at least gone down fighting, which was my main gripe.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #194 on: 20 Jun 2010, 01:36 »

Having your arms sticking out by your sides like that is considered deliberately making yourself larger to block the ball, and therefore deliberate handball. Kewell made a mistake and was rightfully sent off. He denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and that is always a red card.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #195 on: 20 Jun 2010, 03:20 »

I disagree that it was done deliberately.  If you watch a replay in slow motion it looks like he is in the middle of trying to spin his chest toward the ball to block it, but the ball comes at him quicker than he was anticipating and he didn't get his chest to it.  There's no arm movement independent from his body, he's trying to spin his chest around.

Quote from: Fifa Law 12 regarding fouls
In determining whether a player deliberately (direct free kick), or accidentally (no offence) played the ball, the referee has several different considerations- whether the arm moved towards the ball, how long the player had to react, whether the player had his eyes on the ball and whether the players arm is in a "natural" or an "unnatural" position.

He did not have very long to react and his arm is in a natural position for someone trying to pivot his body to face a ball, so it shouldn't have been taken as being deliberate.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #196 on: 20 Jun 2010, 03:31 »

Yeah but the referee doesn't get a slow-motion replay (and that's a whole different argument, so let's not go there). I agree that it probably wasn't a deliberate hand-ball and that Kewell was probably trying to chest it away, but if you look at the front-on shot in that video you can see that Kewell's first movement, in twisting his body, causes his arm to fly out away from his torso. Imagine if you're the referee and you see that in real-time: it's going to look dodgy as hell. If you're going to defend Kewell by saying that he didn't have time to react properly because the ball came fast then you have to also take into account the fact that the referee is trying to interpret what he's seeing within exactly the same time frame.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #197 on: 20 Jun 2010, 03:34 »

Also:

Quote from: Fifa rules regarding serious foul play
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred inside the offender’s penalty area).

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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #198 on: 20 Jun 2010, 03:37 »

Also, I'm not saying that it's some big conspiracy or anything, just saying that it didn't look like Kewell meant to do it, and it was one of the seemingly many bad calls so far at this World Cup.
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Re: The Quadrennial Global Round-Ball Extravaganza
« Reply #199 on: 20 Jun 2010, 03:49 »

I hate Liverpool players.

Hahahahaha

Nah most of them are very good :)

It's just a shame that this man is our national team captain right now and I don't have anything personal against Carragher but I do genuinely think he's a liability. He does get away with a lot in the league, which is debatable I guess, but the reason he's in that position in the first place is he no longer has the pace to catch up with any attackers trying to say, run past him and score a goal. Personally I don't like that in a centre-back.

Read this for why neither Gerrard nor Lennon suited the type of wing-play required against Algeria's formation. Both drifted inside, meaning the full-backs were up against 2 or 3 opponents apiece, when Johnson and Ashley Cole are actually very good attacking full-backs. But this was completely nullified by the wingers ahead of them not doing their jobs properly.

Whilst I don't think he should have been selected, that's a personal opinion, but the best way to accomodate Steven Gerrard is to rejig the formation completely and play a Liverpool-esque 4-5-1 with him in behind Rooney. While Emile Heskey is in the squad, Stevie G will never function for England I'm afraid. You need that extra midfield player so you can push him forward, because he's in his element as an attacking mid. It's disingenuous to compare him to Barry because Barry is an out and out defensive mid while Gerrard and Lampard play more similar attacking roles for their clubs, which is why the formation gets muddled when you play them both in the centre. Hence it making sense to select Barry over one or the two because even though both Lamps and Stevie G are more effective, when on their game, at setting up attacking moves, they tend to get in each other's way, so you need that more defensive mindset alongside one of them, with the other either further forward or on the bench (anywhere but the wing).

Frankly I'd rather see a central 3 with Carrick. See the quote from that ZM article from Xabi Alonso; one of the game's most intelligent and gifted deep-lying playmakers who played with Gerrard week in, week out and knows how to get the best out of him. Sometimes it makes tactical sense to play slightly less creative players (your Barrys and Carricks) if it suits the system as a whole. England aren't Real Madrid, they can't afford to just throw any player who can play a decent through ball in the midfield somewhere and hope it works. :)
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