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who gets a lifetime pass?
pwhodges:
Wagner gets (got) a pass.
jhocking:
On the one hand that's sort of cheating since you already know how his entire life went, plus values dissonance. I mean, you could imagine hypothetical situations in his later life and reflect on whether or not they affect your opinion, but that's still kinda cheating.
Then again, famous historical figures kind of epitomize what this thread is going for, since historians do tend to ignore the unsavory parts of otherwise admirable figures. For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic; if he had composed an opera called "The Weaknesses of Jews" scholars would probably just not mention it.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 07 Jul 2010, 05:20 ---For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic;
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As were much of his society. Note also that his preferred conductor, who directed the premières of several of his operas, was a Jew.
jhocking:
Like I said, values dissonance. And anyway you're missing the point of why I brought that up; I wasn't arguing about whether or not he's anti-semitic, I was pointing out that historians tend to ignore the details.
That is, historians often give famous people a pass.
glyphic:
David Byrne
Dude has done near everything already. I still think he's under-appreciated. Introducing alternative rhythms to popular music. Designing bike racks. Composing music for plays and movies. Visual art, choreography, writing, etc.
The man is a legend.
Plus, Talking Heads is one of the most insanely brilliant bands to have existed. They were doing things in 1977 that still seem fresh.
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