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Dragon Age 2: Fuckin' Bitches, Stabbin' Dragons

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satsugaikaze:
It's a shame because the Grand Cleric seemed to be the most reasonable voice in the entire frickin game.

EDIT: Or at least, the most understanding one. Which is why Anders comes off as the biggest twat at the end.

Tom:
The fallout is more heavy handed than God Loves, Man Kills.

Johnny C:

--- Quote from: KvP on 01 May 2011, 00:49 ---One thing you'll miss if you don't regularly read the codex is that the Circle of Mages is housed in the Gallows, where tens of thousands of people died in terror and bondage over centuries. This makes the barrier between Thedas and the Veil dangerously thin throughout (might as well throw some Stephen Kingi-y "places have memories" mythology in there, why not). That, and the fact that the Circle is housed in the heart of a major urban center, makes the Kirkwall Chantry a coterie of incredible, humongous retards.

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yeah, it's also reinforced constantly that the circle in kirkwall is something of a special case among circles because of this. i mean, contrast it with the one in ferelden, which was out in the sticks and also in the middle of a huge lake. the "all mages aren't this bad" dialogue option that constantly comes up is really accurate – with the veil as thin as it is in the gallows (and at the bone pit, and at sundermount, and because of how the tevinter imperium has always been run by magisters), it kind of makes sense that they'd be more subject to inducement from spirits, and it also kind of makes sense that the templars would behave psychotically, since ingesting lyrium attunes templars to the veil.

but you're right in that orsino's decision to turn was, like, completely ridiculous and forced in the "side with mages" ending, and you (and ser cullen!) are right in that, like, the circles across thedas really, really needed to step up their game w/r/t instructing their charges on why consorting with demons is a really bad idea. like did these mages learn absolutely nothing from their harrowing

KvP:
Well that's kind of an iffy point considering that, as far as DA:O was concerned, you needed to make an explicit contract with a spirit in the Fade in order to be possessed (fitting with classic "caveat emptor" mythology, and explaining how hard it is to gain the Blood Mage specialization in DA:O). If the membrane to the Fade is so thin in Kirkwall that even mages who haven't made pacts can be possessed whenever they experience anger / distress (which is apparently the case), you'd think the Chantry would go Chernobyl on the place and seal it off forever.

Johnny C:
that's fair, plus blood magic seems to be just like, "yeah cut yourself somewhere and the blood comes out + is magic"

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