Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 30 August- 3 September 2010
Kaziel:
Kinda off-topic, but with all the links to older comics here (as one might guess from my lack of posts, I'm not much of a forum-goer) it's really amazing to see how far Jeph's art style has come.
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--- Quote from: lauren! on 31 Aug 2010, 00:30 ---Then why is Marten still with her?
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Masochist tendencies. Look at what his mother does.
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Or, you know, love. Just 'cause pisses you off with their stupid bullshit doesn't mean you don't still love them.
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And this is so very very true... I'm in the middle of... something right now and despite all of it, still love her.
maychild:
Dora has ISSUES. The kind of issues that no one's partner should be subject to. She should not be in a romantic relationship and inflicting that on anyone. I'm thinking Dora should go see Doctor Corrine.
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: disaacs on 31 Aug 2010, 05:35 ---I understand where Dora's reaction is coming from (she's insecure, she's tired and she's been in a bad mood for a couple comics now) but that doesn't mean she is right. If fact, she's so wrong that Marten needs to give her a good yelling at.
Is this the first QC without a punchline since #504?
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May be something to that. That was a sea change for Faye: maybe now it's one for Dora.
Looking at all the posts, I see a large number of people essentially discarding Dora as a 'bitch,' 'cunt', or worse. Looking at the comic itself, though, I'd say you need to get in line behind Dora herself. It seems clear, to me, anyway, that she's managed to convince herself that as a romantic interest, she's worthless. Think about it: who is Dora really hurting if she pushes Marten and Faye away? If they really are rekindling their romance, won't that accelerate the process?
Dora may be irrational right now, but she's not stupid. On at least some level she knows that. What you're actually seeing here is a preemptive strike—Dora's been noticing Faye's been getting better for a while now, and she also knows that Faye's depression was the thing standing between Faye and Marten. Nevermind that Faye's seeing Angus, nevermind that Marten has always been faithful to whoever he was involved with—even if the involvement's not fully reciprocated—near to the point of absurdity (I mean, moving across country to follow the girl when she was clearly ready to end things? C'mon). The part of Dora that hates herself because she's sure she's not worth anyone committing to brushes that aside and moves to hurt them before they can hurt her, and above all, to get away from them before she has to endure another betrayal playing itself out. I'd hoped she'd finally gotten over that when she decided to move in with Marten and go beyond her assumption that their relationship was going to fall apart at any time, but sadly, I was wrong. Dora's self-hatred appears to be too strong to let herself be happy.
Oh, and those who're wanting Marten to toss Dora out of the apartment may be disappointed—if she isn't brought up short, Dora may very well take care of that herself.
Of course, I may be projecting all this, but since he seems to be reading this thread, on behalf of an on-and-off-again good friend of mine, I'd like to invite Jeph to stop raiding the poor guy's past behaviors. :-)*
Edit:* Of course, I'm kidding. It is a bit alarming to see, though.
Karilyn:
--- Quote from: Cartilage Head on 31 Aug 2010, 00:26 ---"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."
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Honestly, I don't care it would be out of character for Martin. I would like to see his balls descend and be all like "Wait what? No. Goddamn it no it doesn't work like that. You cannot kick me out of my own bed, in my own house. You don't wanna sleep with me tonight? YOU can not come to bed."
Tergon:
Okay, try this on for a perspective.
Y'know how, every time Jeph writes Dora as acting like something other than a bisexual Stepford Wife, people seem to go nuts? The Marten-Faye shippers scream until they're frothing at the mouth, the Dora-haters get right behind them, and then the people who like Dora and her relationship with Marten start screaming right back, and the whole merry-go-round goes up in flames.
Which MAY potentially be a reason this was only hinted at before. Sure, Faye's allowed to be an irrational bitch but it's okay because her Dad shot himself! Well, no, actually, she's been a real bitch. And when it became such an issue she couldn't function with her friends, she confronted it, and started to overcome it. Well, guess what? Now Dora's being the irrational bitch. And she is damn well allowed to be.
This is confrontation. Confrontation leads to resolution. In the past people use terms like "Angst" or "Drama" to reference what's happening in the comic because that's about as strong a term as we can apply to it. And because there's never been real conflict there's never been a real resolution, which is the reason WHY the issue of Dora's problem with Marten and his female friends has kept coming back.
Now there has been direct confrontation. And, guess what? There's going to have to be a resolution. One way or another, this WILL be resolved.
It's called progress, people. Despite what you may have learned from Sesame Street, it doesn't come from everyone holding hands and being the bestest buds. If there's no conflict, it's because there's no problem. Therefore if there is a problem, there must be conflict in order to solve the problem. THAT IS HOW THE UNIVERSE WOKS. And I for one am damn happy to see the turn this comic has taken, because now that this big obstacle for the gang is out in the open, they are going to have to fucking well deal with it. Which I very much look forward to seeing.
Jeph: No sarcasm, no backhanded meaning, and no reservations in saying this, but THANK YOU for actually being willing to take the plunge with this story arc, despite the fan rage I'm sure you knew it would cause. Regardless of how this arc turns out, I'll stay riveted, and even if the resolution doesn't take the story in ways I've expected, it cannot fail to take the characters in directions I will enjoy. Even if everything turns to shit, it's better than the alternative - nothing.
And if anyone here actually thinks I have something resembling a point, by all means - grab your Useless Brooms Made Entirely Out Of Dicks and stand beside me, fighting the fanboy ocean as hard as ever we can.
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