Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 30 August- 3 September 2010
imaginaryideals:
--- Quote from: Blackjoker on 30 Aug 2010, 22:35 ---I mostly agree with you, I think the problem some people have is that when Dora has gone on a rage due to jealousy it gets kind of...severe. One example would be the whole thing with Cossette where it seemed more like Dora was trying to trap Marten (he didn't mention it, not out of any desire to keep it hidden just because he didn't think it needed to be said). Dora also fantasizes about other people and it doesn't seem to bother Marten, especially when Dora seems a lot more...forward with some people. I agree that it's more likely Dora is stressed and then this kind of has her in GRRRR mode but I can also see the perspective of the people who get very angry with her for her actions. It might also be noted that Marten seems to have a vague Charlie Brown syndrome going on.
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Dora has talked about her fantasies straight up. She makes a joke out of it and flirting is usually done in Marten's presence, in a way that shows she has nothing to hide. Marten has a what-she-doesn't-know attitude about his potentially-flirtatious encounters.
Yes, Dora's jealousy is severe, and it comes in fits, but I'm pretty sure her reaction in this particular situation is not only completely in-character but also completely understandable. Not that that will stop people from hating her, I guess ^^
Think about this: Faye knocked on a door which belongs to both Marten and Dora, but she only asked for Marten. Marten, or Faye, or both, could easily have given Dora a shake when Faye is panicking hard and talked it all out together--Dora -does- do comforting well when given the opportunity. Marten was in his room--he had pants handy, he could easily have pulled a pair on before walking out, though I understand why he didn't. Instead, Dora wakes up in the middle of the night to find her boyfriend gone, she walks out into the living room and sees him hugging a girl she knows he used to like.
I wouldn't want to hear their explanations either. She was right there and was left out. Not only that, she knows Marten and Faye's relationship has been borderline for a long time. They were platonic because Faye didn't want Marten, not the other way around. Yes, they've given her no reason to suspect they would start an affair, but I definitely wouldn't expect that insecurity to go away until Faye is happily settled into her own relationship.
Yes, her attitude is rude. People are not angels all the time, and Dora is an outright bitch when she has a reason to be, but she -does- have a reason. Yes, this is a self-centered reaction, but people are generally self-centered. So while yeah, she's probably overreacting and being a bitch, give her some time to calm down before going full on with the hate and calling her irrational.
Heliphyneau:
LOOK AWAY, JEPH! THE THREAD, IT BURNS!
"I looked in the trap, Ray."
>_>
And wow, apparently I underestimated Dora's capacity to overreact. :| Queue Faye Panic Attack Mach II? I'd say Dora should talk to Dr. Corrinne, but she'd be on hold til Faye got done.
Though kicking Dora out would be extreme (and unproductive, and quite unlike Marten), Marten should definitely stand up for himself. She needs to hear him, and he needs to be heard. I know she's being irrational (as Jeph pointed out), but Marten loves her and I think he cares enough to fight to keep the relationship. I don't hate Dora for her reaction, but I do hope she starts to see reason once she calms down. Of course, having said that, tomorrow's comic will have Marten and Faye actually making out and Dora's fears completely justified. :roll: Woo, pointless conjecturing ftw!
Maybe it's the purple hair. In fact . . . I've got it: Dora becomes more and more angry/irrational, isolating everyone she knows, and years later, she encounters a wormhole that sends her back in time to attack Marten, Faye, and herself in an alley! FutureDora = Vespavenger!
. . . Yeah, um, any of those dickbrooms left?
douggerel:
Personally I like some drama. It keeps a comic from becoming Peanuts or Family Circus. Couples fight, usually over inconsequential shit. Some people, like Dora, are prone to spates of irrational anger.
Plus, maybe this is a chance for Faye to do something other than make lattes all day. You know, be an artist or something.
Nightson:
--- Quote from: Heliphyneau on 31 Aug 2010, 11:10 ---Maybe it's the purple hair. In fact . . . I've got it: Dora becomes more and more angry/irrational, isolating everyone she knows, and years later, she encounters a wormhole that sends her back in time to attack Marten, Faye, and herself in an alley! FutureDora = Vespavenger!
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I think it's bad that my first thought, "That should totally happen in the comic..."
westrim:
--- Quote from: Kugai on 30 Aug 2010, 23:59 ---DramaDramaDramaDramaDrama
--- Quote from: jeph on 30 Aug 2010, 23:40 ---oh god why did I open this thread
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Masochism?
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Pretty much the only option. A shitstorm was only to be expected. Though perhaps Jeph only intended to gauge reaction to his latest twist, in which case I hope he now knows that these Dora irrationality episodes are more annoying and aggravating than funny or plot advancing.
I should note though people that the Monday comment said he did this on a whim, so I doubt that this will result in any long term changes, just like Cosettegate. Shame too. Dora needs a serious epiphany at some point, because this is the third time she's gone crazy at one or both of the two people she can absolutely trust with anything. I dunno, maybe the Wednesday strip will start with her behind the bedroom door, hands on her face, saying "oh my god, I'm such a bitch". Then, sloppy make outs on the couch with Marten. :-D
Seriously, "my friends used my to bang my brother" was barely a reason the first time (with Faye), not a reason the second (with Marten), and just not acceptable this time. She knows that Faye just got back from her first date in forever and was more than slightly worried. She knows what kind of guy Marten is. It's like once being in a house collapse then freaking out standing under the Eiffel Tower.
I'm not with the Dora haters, since I prefer to wait and see. But I had been hoping that today's stripe would have her go "lol chill guys, how was the date?", not perpetuate her irrationality. And irrational is not a catchall excuse when what she knows is so overwhelmingly more significant than what she assumes on the spot. I don't give a damn that they were in their undies and hugging, it's nighttime, they're very good friends one of them just got back from a massive leap forward with another dude, etc. Underwear is a mouse compared to that elephant.
It's not that I expect her to be a 'Stepford smiler, so don't try that'. When she went ballistic on Sven after he cheated on Faye that actually had logical and emotional backing (even if their relationship was allegedly FWB), so it worked. This doesn't.
But you know, whatever happens happens. I'm not going to stop reading the comic, and I doubt any of the haters or shippers will either. But I reserve my right to complain about this arc and Dora's behavior. :evil:
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