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WCDT 30 August- 3 September 2010
Mojo:
--- Quote ---In this instance, I read that as less longing for Faye and much more longing for Faye's boobs.
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In fairness, I don't think we can hold this against him. Faye's not even real an I've had a longing for her boobs...
:-D
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Heliphyneau on 03 Sep 2010, 10:46 ---Sven did play a role in Dora's developing trust issues, but he is not to blame for the choices she's made. Dora is an adult and has been in who knows how many relationships at this point -- maybe we'll be hearing about some of them in this arc. Whatever may be influencing her, the choices she makes are her own and no one else gets to take credit or blame for them. Hopefully the talking-to by Faye will help her re-examine some of those choices.
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OK, I have to call you on this. No matter how old we get, and no matter how rational we like to think we are, each of us is, to some extent, the product of our upbringing. The older I get, the more I realize that a lot of my first reactions to things aren't even mine - they were my parent's, my brother's, my early friend's... and I adopted them. That's not to say I don't make my own decisions, and think further than my first reactions; but it does mean that I need to recognize where those first reactions are coming from before I can deal with them rationally.
But they're still there. And when I was younger, I didn't even realize where they were coming from. And Dora may be an adult, but a younger one. Faye's pointed out that her reaction was really effed up, but we don't know (yet) where it came from, and the only clue we really have is a shord tirade about Sven.
That may be a large part of it, after all. It probably runs a lot deeper, though. We'll see, I hope. And then we'll see how everyone involved deals with it.
And then we'll see how Pintsize mocks it.
Heliphyneau:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 03 Sep 2010, 12:30 ---
--- Quote from: Heliphyneau on 03 Sep 2010, 10:46 ---Sven did play a role in Dora's developing trust issues, but he is not to blame for the choices she's made. Dora is an adult and has been in who knows how many relationships at this point -- maybe we'll be hearing about some of them in this arc. Whatever may be influencing her, the choices she makes are her own and no one else gets to take credit or blame for them. Hopefully the talking-to by Faye will help her re-examine some of those choices.
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OK, I have to call you on this. No matter how old we get, and no matter how rational we like to think we are, each of us is, to some extent, the product of our upbringing. The older I get, the more I realize that a lot of my first reactions to things aren't even mine - they were my parent's, my brother's, my early friend's... and I adopted them. That's not to say I don't make my own decisions, and think further than my first reactions; but it does mean that I need to recognize where those first reactions are coming from before I can deal with them rationally.
But they're still there. And when I was younger, I didn't even realize where they were coming from. And Dora may be an adult, but a younger one. Faye's pointed out that her reaction was really effed up, but we don't know (yet) where it came from, and the only clue we really have is a shord tirade about Sven.
That may be a large part of it, after all. It probably runs a lot deeper, though. We'll see, I hope. And then we'll see how everyone involved deals with it.
And then we'll see how Pintsize mocks it.
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Of course our upbringing shapes us -- every experience does, that was part of my point. That doesn't change a person's responsibility for the decisions they make even as a consequence of that upbringing. Dora's already acknowledged the effect Sven's behavior has had on her decisions, as you basically pointed out. What other influences might be at play remains to be seen. To say that your reactions aren't even yours because you adopted them from other people, well, you adopted them, consciously or not. You are still responsible. I get what you're saying about needing to be aware of these things, and Dora is likely in need of raising her self-awareness further, but my response was to someone who thought everyone here was blaming Sven for Dora's problems. Sven certainly has his culpability for the way his behaviors have affected his younger sister -- his choices are his responsibility, after all -- but that doesn't make him responsible for every decision she makes.
I have a feeling that we'll be learning a bunch more about Dora and Sven in this new arc. I'm looking forward to it, and to seeing the characters grow further.
As to Pintsize, he will mock it with tentacle/horse porn. Or dickbroom porn, whichever. :wink:
Blackjoker:
Great, now I imagine Pintsize ordering dozens of dickbrooms to sweep away the drama in the apartment and all of them arriving when they have company over...it would be hilarious but wrong.
raoullefere:
Actually, if we want to delve into it, if Sven's passive poaching of Dora's friends has produced this lack of trust she has (and I suspect it's at least the basis, and after it, the rest probably became the same sort of self-fulfilling prophecy Dora's creating now, with each incident making things worse by reinforcing her fears), then Sven's not so much to blame as his and Dora's parents are. They were the responsible ones—but if you read the comics in which they appear, it tends to look like they're not, mostly. Too busy recreating with drugs and pinching Nancy Reagan's bony ass. Which, btw, indicates to me pot was the least of the recreational substances Pa Bianchi was on.
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