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WCDT 30 August- 3 September 2010
themacnut:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 04 Sep 2010, 13:33 ---Yeah, it's an interesting use of the term, but I think the inability to form strong, lasting relationships (family doesn't count) really leaves Sven crippled in one form or another.
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Oh family does indeed count. There are people who can't even get along with their families, whose siblings and even parents can't stand being in the same room with them and vice-versa. And it's not always because the family is nuts either. Half the time it's the person themselves that's a complete asshole. Sven may be romantic-relationship-challenged, but he still has friends and his family still likes him, most of the time.
Carl-E:
Friends?
He has Wil, who may be more of a hanger-on. Lydia is an intern (right below the level of an employee). There are musicians that hang out with him. And there's his hot lawyer. We've really never seen much in the way of friends.
And family doesn't count because no matter how impossible you are, you form a long lasting relationship with them.
I never said it had to be a good relationship. After all, they're the ones that know you best!
Which brings us back to Sven's potential insights into Dora's state of mind. Despite the initial lack of response, Sven may still be Marten's best bet in understanding what's going on under the purple.
Fenriswolf:
Not 100% true Carl-E. There are a lot of people who cannot have relationships with their family due to abuse, or totally unhealthy relationships that are hurting one or more parties more than it's worth to keep contact. It's more common than you think.
Not really relevant to what you're talking about, but had to pipe up there.
raoullefere:
I agree with your last point, Carl, (and I love the turn of phrase), but it's going to be quite a mining trip, since Sven doesn't see anything he does as wrong, really; his primary concern tends to be what Dora will do to him later. That, I think, is what has our man Sven so bummed now—he's actually suffered consequences that had nothing to do with his murder at his sister's hands. (I admit she did try, but botched it). Anyone want to guess what you call someone who can't access consequences?* (starts with an 'r'). But Sven may be getting better, although his last two appearances aren't very promising.
Also, I think it says something about Dora that she is as troubled as she is about Sven's poaching and yet maintains what's essentially a pretty friendly relationship with him. She is not a bitch—she just becomes one from time to time. You already have my theory on that, and why the frequency has stepped up, so I won't be reapeatin' meself. I might bug ye. Wouldn't want to be buggin' ye. I'm not a bug…
*I can see some things coming, so let's ditch the politics before we start, okay? But I'll throw Bono to you— you can make all the fun of him you want.
Edit: I live Fenriswolf's point, so I'll give him credit, too. Because I know very well he lives for my approval.
no one special:
--- Quote from: themacnut on 04 Sep 2010, 01:08 ---In simpler terms, if, for example, you're a guy who's been cheated on more than once by women you've been in relationships with, it will probably take real mental effort (and maybe therapy) to avoid looking at future dates as possible cheaters. It gets worse if the guy starts doubting his ability to find and/or choose women who won't cheat. Such a guy may just choose to forgo relationships altogether. Sad, but probably better than subjecting future dates to unfounded paranoia and jealously.
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If I may quote myself:
--- Quote from: no one special ---I've been cheated on twice, but those were just two individual circumstances. I've also had an amazing relationship where she and I had 100% complete trust in one another.
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That guy you're talkin' about? I am that guy.
But I still believe I can (and one day will) find someone who will be faithful to me, and I to her. Now, maybe it's because I went from painful cheater to amazing woman to painful cheater. Maybe if the painful cheaters had been consecutive, it'd be harder. Which isn't to say that it was hard to get over - but I guess I just refuse to give in to that history. I have met too many good people to believe that every woman is a cheater. I'm not saying good people can't cheat (obviously, there are no guarantees in life), but it's important to have faith in people.
I think another thing that helps is to understand why they cheated. With the first girlfriend, there were just problems all over the place - too many issues between her and I, issues that had no solution. Control issues, intimacy issues, experience issues - the cheating was a manifestation of the many problems we had, and that was how it played out for her. By no means am I excusing it, of course - we all can make choices in life, and she chose to do that, ripping out my heart in the process. But what I'm saying is that things don't usually happen in a vacuum. It's not always something you can control - sometimes it's issues that she had way before she met you, sometimes it's issues between the two people, and occasionally we may bring it on ourselves(though again, that other person always has a choice). Anyway, sometimes being able to understand something can tell you more about it. It can tell you more about the people you date, and why you date them, and maybe whether or not you should date those people.
It's important to learn from the things that happen to us, and to not let them control us. Fear keeps us from living the lives that we deserve to lead. If can learn from these things, maybe we can find the sort of person that we're supposed to be with, a person that will treat you the way you want to treat her - the way you both want to be treated.
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