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snubnose:

--- Quote from: Carl-E on 27 Sep 2010, 04:35 ---BC had a softer side.  Tried to show her daughter that she loved her.  And Vespavenger was just severely misguided. 

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You're definitely great at making excuses. :-D



--- Quote from: raoullefere on 27 Sep 2010, 12:48 ---Don't forget Meena. Meena was evil—that was why Saint Dave of the Good Works had to marry her, to protect others.

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ROTFL :-D

Carl-E:

--- Quote from: snubnose on 02 Oct 2010, 04:06 ---You're definitely great at making excuses. :-D

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I consider myself an amateur apologist

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Random832:

--- Quote from: Akima on 01 Sep 2010, 02:33 ---
--- Quote from: jordinyc on 31 Aug 2010, 15:34 ---Part of the reason Dora's reaction pisses me off (a lot) is because of a perception that many MANY people have, both men and women. The perception is that the woman in a relationship is entitled to be as unreasonable as possible because (a) "that's just how women are" and (b) she "holds all the cards" and it's up to the guy to beg, plead, obey, kiss up, etc. You don't see TV ads with women staring at hot guys and then their husband or boyfriend looking at them with contempt as their woman tries to explain. There are A LOT of men who in Marten's situation would probably spend whole days begging and pleading for the wife/gf to forgive him, as well as women who feel like it's their duty to act like Dora is. Switch genders and you have a Lifetime movie.

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Yeah, because contemporary pop-cultural depictions of women are completely accurate, and don't buy at all into stereotypes that have remained pretty much unchanged since Aristophanes wrote Lysistrata. You know, that we're inherently irrational, because we've got wombs (just for fun, look up the origin of the word "hysteria").

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So... wait - I can't tell what side of the argument you're on.

It sounds like you are saying that Dora's behavior is unrealistic (while ignoring the fact that just because not everybody acts like that doesn't mean nobody acts like that - and it's not something we've seen from anyone except Dora and maybe Faye). But the placement of your argument (i.e. who you are bringing it out in response to) seems to be like you are saying that her behavior is justified.

Since, you know, jordinyc was arguing against the same cultural stereotypes you're arguing against, only s/he was arguing against the equally present idea that such things are _justified_.

Graphite:
I think the argument was that the attitude towards women in relationships that jordi was describing is much less prevalent or acceptable to the majority of people in real life than in fictional depictions of relationships, and that people tend to overstate the degree to which "women can get away with anything" in the media, just as they overstate the idea that "women are irrational, and therefore should be able to get away with anything".

IanClark:
True story, I once had a woman I was dating undergo a near-psychotic breakdown in front of me, quoting things I'd never said and panicking about everything she saw until she was finally in tears, shaking and near-suicidal. When I asked her what it was all about, she just responded "I don't know, I'm on my period." Of the people I asked, it was almost evenly split between those who said she had serious issues and those who said it was more or less par for the course.

It's true, there is a dynamic that our society that ultimately makes life harder on everyone. As should be obvious to any observer, women are on average no more irrational than men (and no less, fuck you daytime sitcoms), however when women are irrational, the men (or women) they're with are just expected to deal with it as it's considered just a normal part of existence. And sometimes it's really fucking hard. By that same token, when those same women act irrationally, there's an overwhelming sentiment that it can be attributed to the fact that she's a woman. So the extreme majority of women who are calm and rational under any reasonable circumstances get labelled as ultimately irrational and perhaps just doing their best to fight their own "instincts".

Men who date women with issues should only have to put up with their irrationality to the same degree as women who date men with issues. Support them, love them and help them get through it, but never accept it and under no circumstances reframe your viewpoint to make it something you "just have to deal with". And women without issues should not have to deal with the stigma of being believed irrational until proven otherwise. While the majority of the population is waking up to the fact that people are people and gender is neither an excuse for nor a cause of irrationality, there is still a sentiment to the contrary that is toxic and needs to go away because it benefits no one. It forces men to internalize a large amount of emotional suffering, it causes women to have to work harder than they should have to to be taken seriously, it furthers the stigma surrounding men with emotional issues because it also reclassifies them as effeminate and it also validates and reinforces the behaviour of women who actually do suffer from psychological issues because it causes them to not recognize their own problems and seek help.

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