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WCDT - 6-10 September 2010 (1746-1750)
nicoley:
I don't think it's fair to call someone a troll just because they are expressing their opinions in such a way that most people here are not familiar with. I actually agreed with what most of Odin had to say... while he may be abrasive at times, it doesn't mean he's trying to troll...
jwhouk:
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 09 Sep 2010, 16:18 ---Faye moves to Minneapolis…
Who can scare the world just with her sneer?
Who can take a nothing day, and suddenly make it all filled with fear?
Well it's you girl, and you should know it
With each little shake of your fist, girl, you show it
Snark is all around, because you make it
Piling on abuse, and we just take it
You're gonna make life living hell
With every latte that you sell
Dedala-dundun<Close-up of Faye winding up for a punch> POW!
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8MWdNG3wsw&feature=related for those who don't get this)
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Thank you, you've made my day with that. :D
brew:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 09 Sep 2010, 14:17 ---Psychological abuse is real. I knew someone who would propose something reasonable and ask in a worried tone "Are you all right with that?", trying to get the other party to think they were being a prima donna.
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This is abuse?
Tergon:
Rather than do a quotestorm, I'll keep it simple...
The problem I have in buying that the cast of QC are "toxic" is that in order to prove it, there's three or four examples being bandied about. That would be okay... except that there are more than 1700 comics to choose from. And yes, while each character has one or two examples in which they're an arsehole, I could just as easily claim every single other comic as an example of them not being one. At most, they're being inconsistent, which Jeph has been saying all along is the case. He's taken fairly realistic characters, dumped them in a ridiculously improbable universe of space travel and tiny robots, and then - this is the really, really important bit - stirred in a healthy dose of comic relief.
This could be a comic about people who are so perfect they could be nominated for Sainthood, who come from nuclear families, who have suffered no stress worse than a sore finger. Except... that would be boring. The point of QC is the wacky shenanigans that ensue as a direct result of the characters interacting. And if they were all straight-laced vanilla folk who'd never dealt with stress before, their interactions wouldn't be interesting, let alone funny.
At the very most I could accept that the cast of QC are a group of damaged characters who came together and formed friendships. Even that, I feel, is seriously pushing the bounds of realism about as badly as if I explained Lord Of The Rings as "The story of a group of friends trying to return unwanted jewelery to its place of origin." The characters of QC are much more than that - they're entertaining because they're funny, quirky, and yes, have issues to deal with. Just like regular people. Maybe QC's issues tend more to the dramatic, but it's a story. They're allowed to. And I mostly think it's handled well.
And given all that... well, what are we saying? Because these people have issues, they're not allowed to fall in love? Not allowed to have a relationship? They're somehow damaging to folks around them? I just can't see it.
As for whether Odin's a troll... well, sir, you arrived being rude as hell, and I responded about the same back. I am sorry about that. It was late, I wass tired, yadda yadda yadda. Either way, it may be that in other lands on these here Internets, you have to be abrasive to get the point across, but folks here tend to be smart and enjoy a good debate. Which is why your point tends to carry better if you talk across to people rather than down. I have no trouble with your viewpoint, even if I don't see it myself - but I love a good debate. Just as long as you keep the insults and holier-than-thou clamped down a bit, you may yet convince us all you're human. :P
lunakitten:
--- Quote from: brew on 09 Sep 2010, 17:28 ---
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 09 Sep 2010, 14:17 ---Psychological abuse is real. I knew someone who would propose something reasonable and ask in a worried tone "Are you all right with that?", trying to get the other party to think they were being a prima donna.
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This is abuse?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting
A roundabout way of hurting someone, but effective if your goal is to break them down and convince them they have gone crazy and need you to survive.
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