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KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 23 Sep 2010, 23:15 ---i don't think a band like ladyhawk or joan of arc or portico or any of these bands that i've pored over their albums time and time again are bands you can really get on first listen...because if on its first listen it doesn't immediately catch you, you can just get more. it becomes more about space on your hard drive than it does your actual i guess commitment to the music, in a lot of ways.
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Here you are saying that good music requires effort to get in to, and that people who get free music don't put that effort in (which is a fucking ridiculous judgement on its own). Furthermore, these people (as opposed to you, who are by your stance the opponent of these people and their mode of consumption) don't really like music! They just like boasting about having loads of music on their hard drive. Elitist.
--- Quote ---the reason i'm arguing that there should be a middleman is because ultimately art is reflexive. it's a mode of discourse through which we relate to other people, through which we relate to parts of ourselves that we hadn't previously considered, through which we relate to the idea of art itself. tamper with that and what does the point of art become?
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True art takes effort. It must be experienced in a certain way or it is somehow magically not art. Elitist.
--- Quote ---i want people who consider themselves listeners to start thinking about it, and not in the fundamentally selfish way that "how are bands going to adapt to ME" is. i want listeners to stop being so goddamn lazy all the time, and to figure out ways to actually enter into sophisticated discourse about it rather than the unrealistic and again selfish presumption that the only thing important is their own little bubble and the whole "well that's just like your opinion man" thing.
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People who listen to music must be 'listeners' (whatever the fuck that means) and enter into a sophisticated discourse. The only true purpose of music is to pontificate about it? Elitist.
Generally your posts make the implication that only people who engage with music on a certain intellectual level and in a certain way are proper music listeners, and that music has to be handed down to us through a 'middleman', who 'curates' the experience for us and somehow makes it culturally relevant or something, which is a big pile of horseshit essentially.
Plus I think it's pretty bold for you to call people selfish in the way they consume music when essentially this whole thread is you chucking your toys out the pram because of reactionary nostalgia for an imagined golden age of zines and shows and deep conversations about indie rock music that you were too young to enjoy and probably never existed anyway, and now anyone can get into this shit and they just don't care and some tiny band from California will never play my home town when they would of back in the day when everyone cared deeply about the aesthetic sense of some art-school dropout running a distro and it really meant something, you know? And now it's all gone forever oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.
jimbunny:
The only imaginable progress is the end of recorded music.
amok:
No great loss, it's mostly shit anyway
scarred:
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 25 Sep 2010, 23:31 ---i can't stick around and make the massive post i'm going to make later right now, so in the meantime khar could you actually concretely nail down where and how i am an elitist instead of just calling me one in every single thread where i disagree with you?
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the thing is, he's right this time
KvP:
Poor, sad Bobby Hill.
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