Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 8-12 November 2010 (1791-1795)
Carl-E:
Marten's dad and Maurice (or was it Marcel?).
I know, not regulars. But still...
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: ChippyD on 08 Nov 2010, 15:42 ---
--- Quote from: reicreature on 08 Nov 2010, 14:40 ---See the proper response on Marigold's part would have been something along the lines of: "Ha ha, Yeah too bad I'm straight" or something of that ilk. Instead she responds in a way that is while honest on her part, incredibly hurtful in that it implies that making-out with Tai would be an act of desperate last resort.
So, Tai gets the reminder that her sexuality is "wrong" but also that there is something wrong with HER own attractiveness. Instead of just getting shot down with the "I'm straight" reply (disappointing) she gets "I'm straight and you're gross" which is far far more painful.
I'm sure Marigold didn't mean it that way, it probably just didn't occure to her that it was insensative.
--- End quote ---
You're not remember that Tai is a stranger to Marigold. Marigold has no idea that Tai is gay, or interested. It's pretty obvious, considering every single come-on and inuendo Tai slips into the conversation flies RIGHT over her head.
Now, I have a lot of background with girls that are like Marigold. What Marigold is reading Tai's comment as is a sympathy, even pitty statement from Tai. Loads of girls in my social circle (I am a gay man, so I infiltrate female minds for my straight guy nerd friends) often make comments of "I'll totally marry you if we're single when we're older," or "I would totally date you if I was gay." Marigold comes from a counterculture where sexual preference doesn't really make that big a deal. It's obvious, given the subject of her writing, that she has no problem with same sex couples. She probably just has never had any contact with a lesbian before.
So really this is just situation of intent being lost in translation. Marygold interprets Tai as saying "Awww, I'd totally go for you, if we were gay," a comment Marigolde probably hears 50 times a day online.
Tai is making the blunder by assuming that Marygold is aware that she's hitting on her. If she had known Marygold's background, she'd know she's incredibly sheltered and inexperienced with flirting.
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Ninja'd (more or less). I agree that Marigold sees Tia's come-on as pity. How can she not, given her low self-esteem?
Insectile:
Oh yeah, completely forgot about them.
I still don't think this Marigold/Tai thing is going to develop
jwhouk:
What's on tap for us this week?
Angus/Faye II - The Second Date - 7 (10%)
Marigold/Tai, week II - where Marigold learns how to WRITE. - 30 (42.9%)
Sven gets a date. - 4 (5.7%)
Marten & Steve go drinking. - 7 (10%)
Cosette finally burns down Northampton. - 11 (15.7%)
Pintsize does something wacky. - 4 (5.7%)
Yelling Bird. ALL. THE. TIME. - 4 (5.7%)
GUEST COMIC WEEK! - 1 (1.4%)
GOOGLE IT! - 2 (2.9%)
Total Voters: 70
JackFaerie:
Two small things:
1) others have already explained why Marigold's statement would have offended Tai--it's one thing to say "I'm not interested in girls" and another to basically say "One would have to be even more desperate than me to make out with you." Especially when in the current cultural climate, one does not have to be a lesbian to enjoy an occasional same-sex make-out (no, really), and plenty of straight women like to proclaim how "they'd go gay" for one especially attractive female celeb or another. Since many people seem willing to treat a same-sex kiss as not an especially big deal and something they might do with an attractive woman even if they were straight, Mari's remark is definitely cutting. I mean, guys: you're not gonna be every woman's type and that's no aspersion on your looks in general, but there's a difference in being turned down by the woman saying you're not her type or she's not interested, and her saying "god, I would never be that desperate," no?
2) All the talk of "well Marigold writes slash so she must be fine with gays of all stripes!" is um... very bad logic. Marigold MIGHT be fine with gays and lesbians, but would you say "that guy watches a lot of lesbian porn, I bet he's a great supporter of lgbtq rights"? Marigold enjoys a fantasy of male sexuality and objectifying men for her erotic pleasure. She is probably not against gay men, yes (although enjoying reading idealized porn about them hardly makes her a string gay ally either). But we have no idea what her level of comfort or discomfort is with lesbians. (Actually, we already know she's not entirely comfortable with lesbianism, but we don't know to what extent and how it relates to people other than herself.)
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