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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
tughluq:
--- Quote from: Soluzar on 15 Nov 2010, 18:54 ---Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
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I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
Moxie:
Wow.
Ok, so yeah, Marten left because he was too angry to talk rationally - good on him. Dora made the mistake of following him to talk about it right away - bad on her (as someone already mentioned, with the three rules of fighting.
Definitely agree that Marten needs therapy now - he definitely bottles his anger up waaay to much for it to be any sort of healthy, and I think his outburst in panel one really shows that. That being said...wow, how sucky for him by panel 4.
So I said Dora was looking for that point that Marten was an asshole? I think she thinks his outburst in panel one is it. She's just trying to apologize, right, and he totally goes off on her! She can't even believe he wants to "seriously have this discussion". As if, it's entirely preposterous he could be fed up with her expectations of him as compared to her own behavior. I kind of wonder if the argument she's having with him is the one she's used to having, or if she's actually listening to what he's saying. Like, "vindictive prick". Really? Marten? It's almost like she's on autopilot or something.
I don't like Marten's look in the last panel. He had a right to be angry, and he was trying to remove himself from the situation before it escalated to the point it did, and now apparently Dora just broke up with him.
I hope Dora crashes with Hanners, not Sven. I don't think Sven is who she needs to talk to (unless only because it would tie in with Marten talking to him before). So ok, I guess maybe Sven would be ok. But I think Hanners would be the sensible point of view that Dora is currently lacking.
I hope Marten doesn't go drinking. I dunno who he should talk with. Maybe not Faye. Angus possibly?
helloandgoodbye:
Jesus christ. :-o
To think all this shit started after talking about masturbation.
Jesus.
Soluzar:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 15 Nov 2010, 18:43 ---Oh, yeah, Dora's been a bitch to him their entire relationship. She's never made him happy, no. She's never made any sacrifices for his sake, she's never tried to be careful of his feelings in anything, they have never been happy as a couple, it's just been PROBLEM CITY all the FUCKING TIME.
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Have they had good times? Sure. Has Marten been really happy? I don't think so... it hasn't been all problems all the time, but more than enough problems for a relationship he may not be that invested in.
--- Quote ---These fights that they're having? Real couples don't do that! Because real couples are in love all the fucking time 24/7 and poop rainbows out of their mouths! No one ever gets mad at their significant other over something innocuous! No one ever has huge fights and also no one really ever makes up like a week later!
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I have to admit you're right on the money with this. Fights happen. Just... that it seems like they are both looking for a way out rather than a resolution. You know that sometimes happens, right? When a couple have just run out of patience and both of them are looking for an excuse to ditch and make it the other person's fault?
--- Quote ---And none of it has anything to do with the fact that Marten is a completely spineless fuck! No no no! It has nothing to do with the fact that he won't take a stand on anything till it gets out of hand, obsesses about shit but never takes any action, and generally lets any woman with a force of personality greater than a turnip walk all over him until she steps on some area that's a little sore!
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Marten is incredibly spineless, I contend that he only got into this relationship in the first place because he has no spine.
--- Quote ---God, why couldn't Marten have waited? For his REAL TRUE LOVE, Faye? You know, the girl who is a huge bundle of issues, still can't emotionally relate to people on the right level, and was all but emotionally abusive to the last dude she was in a pseudo-relationship with? The girl who is never ever going to get over the fact that her dad killed himself in front of her, that's the girl you need to pursue forever. Because moving the fuck on is for losers!
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Marten moved on, he found a convenient relationship which offered him comfort and closeness and sex. Does that mean he should stick with it forever, even when it isn't working and his emotional investment is questionable? I think you're not really painting an accurate picture of Faye either. She used Sven, that's for sure. What she did wasn't kind or fair, but to call it emotional abuse seems like hyperbole. By this point, partly because of the experiences she had with Sven, I'd say her issues are under control... but only time will tell.
--- Quote ---But hey, it's still not his fault. He couldn't have known that Dora's entire character is just "a bitch" who can never do anything right.
And am I the only person who has noticed that the last six weeks all we have heard in an endless chorus, winding throughout the weeks and always showing up at some point or another, is that cherry of wisdom, that DORA IS A BITCH AND MARTEN SHOULD BREAK UP WITH HER? We had the Tai/Marigold arc, where she barely appeared, and people still found time to call her a bitch. Astounding.
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What I don't understand is why it bothers you so much. So you're not concerned with her behaviour. I get that. What should it matter that lots of random internet message board drones hate your favourite character? I mean, I think Dora is a fun character who just needs to stop being up in other people's business... I am not part of the "Dora is a hugemungous bitch" faction. I can understand why people are saying that though. When people say nasty things about my favourite characters, that doesn't bother me...
MillionDollar Belt Sander:
--- Quote from: tughluq on 15 Nov 2010, 19:12 ---
--- Quote from: Soluzar on 15 Nov 2010, 18:54 ---Aside from anything else, a man attracted to Faye probably doesn't find all that much appeal in Dora physically.
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I'd like to think that, as a character, Marten's not that one dimensional. Most real people have pretty diverse taste in attractiveness.
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For years I dated only extra-busty redheads because that's what I liked. I married a tallish skinny Korean chick because that's who I fell in love with.
No regrets. And she's much less violent than those redheads. ;)
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